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Terrorists kill dozens in mosques in Christchurch NZ today

Old 15th Mar 2019, 12:12
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Originally Posted by flash8 View Post
Tears will be shed today by many, for the "Religion of Peace", in my case, however, I am finding it hard to feel any sympathy. Sorry about that.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 12:14
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Originally Posted by ThorMos View Post
Just shows that you are part of the problem...
Well seeing as I can tell Flash comes from a part of the world particularly affected by Islamic terrorism, I can see why he would say that...
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 12:17
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Originally Posted by troppo View Post
How so? Because it showed the shooter's view for about a minute and a half out of seventeen minutes?
No the video is approx 20 minutes, and unfortunately I have seen the whole video.
So get your facts right before you spread fake news.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 12:37
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Originally Posted by Training Risky View Post
This was not Terrorism!

I fought terrorists and insurgents throughout the 'War on Terror' and I know the difference.
So have I, including NI, and I still am. I know what terrorism is. You still need to learn.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 12:38
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Originally Posted by flash8 View Post
The only question that the Politicians and media will not address is the "why?" this event occurred, this will be studiously ignored, and I double-down, I am sorry I find it hard to be sympathetic, yes, perhaps I'm part of the problem, but I'm not going to lie.

So, "mental illness" has been immediately ruled out, nice to know that, because if it were the other way around...
flash, I am saddened by your lack of compassion, especially as I very recently wrote you a pm praising you for displaying that very trait. In my opinion true compassion can not be limited to one group while being withheld from another.

I think the bit I have highlighted above could apply to many events covered by the media. The mirror needs to be held up so that we all can take a look at ourselves, not just Muslims.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 12:48
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A couple on here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8822801.html
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 13:11
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Yep, that's the problem with education...it tends to open peoples minds and leads to enlightenment.

So I should go to Melbourne this weekend and learn how to tie a Hijab? The Police force think I should...should the Police force be telling me what to think? Maybe while I'm being taught to tie a Hijab, I could benefit from a side lecture on Female Genital Mutilation?

It is terrorism by the way....where those in the congregation, going about a peaceful Friday prayer deserving of being murdered?...NO! Of course not! Most of them likely contributed to the Christchurch Community in a positive way. BUT 18+ years of relentless attacks against innocent 'Non Believers' will drive some to extreme lengths....clearly...and now it's happened in a spectacular (? is that the right word? probably not) I DO get the idea that Terrorism is about changing regime....but I bet all those in the Mosque were terrified.....I bet

The real shame is these people have lowered themselves to the same dreadful murderous levels as the very people thay rail against......I guess they knew no other way to get their voices heard, their point across...they were simply sick of watching 'their own' be slaughtered by proponents of the 'religion of peace'...and when having the audacity to speak out be labelled as racists....here is a wikipedia list...no idea how accurate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rorist_attacks

And NO ONE speaks out about these atrocities! ..... No, thank you Victorian Police I will not be attending a lecture about Female oppresion tommorow

Another very interesting point to make is this.....not a Single person I know....and I associate with a broad section of the community....not a SINGLE one has mentioned Christchurch.....Tacit support?...Don't care?.... Don't know...suspect it is rather more a case of Ha ha ...how do you like it now the shoe is on the other foot, but political correctness prevents them ,,,so they say nothing,,,interesting response really 'cos it is very much like the silence of the Muslim community when the all too frequent attacks against the West occur!



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Old 15th Mar 2019, 13:28
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Originally Posted by Fliegenmong View Post
Maybe while I'm being taught to tie a Hijab, I could benefit from a side lecture on Female Genital Mutilation?!
or maybe stop at a synagogue for a side lecture on Male Genital Mutilation?

Thank god I am a atheist !
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 13:32
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Originally Posted by Training Risky View Post
This was not Terrorism!

All those on here calling this criminal incident a Terrorist attack are being deliberately disingenuous.
Terrorists seek to replace/destroy the established civil power in order to gain political power: as evidenced by all the Islamic Terrorist attacks we have suffered in the West.
Some lunatic murdering Muslims in NZ is NOT striking at the general population and government of NZ)
I would have disagreed until I looked up the definition:

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 13:58
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One wonders why he committed this atrocity in New Zealand rather than in Australia.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 14:00
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It's a terrorist attack...no two ways about it.....not at all.....simply giving the 'other side' a taste of what they dish out to 'us' on a regular basis for oh well how many YEARS!?!?!

I don't agree with it....I don't think we should ever lower ourselves to the same standard as a stoneage religion of savagery and opperession such as Islam...but it was inevitable that someone was going to retaliate!
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 15:10
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Originally Posted by Fliegenmong View Post
Yep, that's the problem with education...it tends to open peoples minds and leads to enlightenment.

So I should go to Melbourne this weekend and learn how to tie a Hijab? The Police force think I should...should the Police force be telling me what to think? Maybe while I'm being taught to tie a Hijab, I could benefit from a side lecture on Female Genital Mutilation?

It is terrorism by the way....where those in the congregation, going about a peaceful Friday prayer deserving of being murdered?...NO! Of course not! Most of them likely contributed to the Christchurch Community in a positive way. BUT 18+ years of relentless attacks against innocent 'Non Believers' will drive some to extreme lengths....clearly...and now it's happened in a spectacular (? is that the right word? probably not) I DO get the idea that Terrorism is about changing regime....but I bet all those in the Mosque were terrified.....I bet

The real shame is these people have lowered themselves to the same dreadful murderous levels as the very people thay rail against......I guess they knew no other way to get their voices heard, their point across...they were simply sick of watching 'their own' be slaughtered by proponents of the 'religion of peace'...and when having the audacity to speak out be labelled as racists....here is a wikipedia list...no idea how accurate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rorist_attacks

And NO ONE speaks out about these atrocities! ..... No, thank you Victorian Police I will not be attending a lecture about Female oppresion tommorow

Another very interesting point to make is this.....not a Single person I know....and I associate with a broad section of the community....not a SINGLE one has mentioned Christchurch.....Tacit support?...Don't care?.... Don't know...suspect it is rather more a case of Ha ha ...how do you like it now the shoe is on the other foot, but political correctness prevents them ,,,so they say nothing,,,interesting response really 'cos it is very much like the silence of the Muslim community when the all too frequent attacks against the West occur!
This may come as a major surprise to you, but, I don't think there's any expectation of you converting to Islam on the basis of a visit and the opportunity to gain a deeper understanding of the religion and those whose practice their faith. It's like me going into a gay bar, with gay friends for a night out....there's no expectation to "suddenly " become gay and have a gay relationship.

About this "broad section of the community " you suggest you know. If, as you state, their reaction is as you surmise, then frankly it's not very broad, just a collection of kindred spirits all with the same bigoted views.

This one wouldn't be part of your "broad section of the community " friends by any chance ?.....sounds remarkably similar to our own "much mis-understood and persecuted by the police " Tommy actually...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...im-immigration

Oh, nearly forget, the Muslim community have invariably be as condemnatory of attacks in the name of their religion as have other faiths and communities. To save you asking, I know a few Muslims and used to work with quite a few as well. .

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Old 15th Mar 2019, 15:46
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Once more we are indulging in the "it's terrorism", "no it's not" farce.
Whether it is or is not is of no consequence. The over-riding classification is that of murder and, above that, it is murder on a grand scale.
His / their motives may be of interest, intense interest to some, but they are of no consequence to the outcome.
He / they are just murdering thugs; just like Martin Bryant, Anders Brievek, IS, IRA and any of the others who might justify their murderous actions by waving a "political motivation" flag.
We should not be affording their actions legitimacy by assigning them a special classification as happens every time the terrorism thing gets trotted out.
Rather, we should be separating their motivation from their actions and address the outcomes only for what they are: repugnant and abhorrent.

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Old 15th Mar 2019, 16:28
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It’s terrorism and those committing it are are reprehensible and inexcusable as any other terrorist be they Christian, Moslem, Hindu or atheist.

And if they have any training camps located beyond police or diplomatic reach I’d be just as happy for a drone to drop a Hellfire or Brimstone missile on them.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 18:39
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One wonders why he committed this atrocity in New Zealand rather than in Australia.
Because he saw NZ as a softer target, less security. He stated words to that effect.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 18:57
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He saw an opportunity and pounced and took his gun,' Mr Mazharuddin told The NZ Herald.

The young hero took the gun out of the shooter's hands and attempted to defend people in the mosque but couldn't figure out how to use the weapon, he said.
I guess, pretty much like 99% of Muslims...

The witness goes on to say that once the gunman lost his weapon, he ran away. A little different from his bravado in the video where he tells everyone he, 'lost his magazine'.

Just another sub-human bigot full of himself when he has the unfair advantage.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 22:11
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troppo - my apologies. My relatives live in Christchurch. Why on earth I wrote Auckland I have no idea! I have amended my original post. Sorry!
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 22:39
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NZ police yet to charge the two others they are holding.

Bigoted violent activist, or perhaps a lone nutter, commits mass murder, yes the act can be described as terrorism.
His teachers described him as disruptive as a kid.



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Old 15th Mar 2019, 23:01
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Wonder if this will inspire some tit-for-tat episodes. Bad enough without idiots like these inflaming things.
Well said. I remember one tit-for-tat after one terrorist attack that ended up destabilising the entire middle east
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 23:03
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How so? Because it showed the shooter's view for about a minute and a half out of seventeen minutes?
I, like others here, have seen what I believe was the full video (approx 16 or 17 minutes) and there were no signs of anyone else shooting. Also gives the lie to the report in the NZ Herald in #56. Nobody took the gun from the shooter. He left the mosque with it, shot a wounded woman lying in the road and got into his car, changing weapons for what seems like a shotgun and drove down the road shooting as he went.
I would not recommend watching the video. (I didn't seek it but it was sent to me uninvited).
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