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Old 18th May 2019, 15:39
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"Howver the idea of putting equipment made by a potentially hostile power at the heart of your countries comms networks (and key international networks) is in todays world pretty ridciculous"

Could this include the USA? Let's be clear, the only side they are on is their own. If there was any doubt, Mr Trump goes out of his way to send this message to the world...

As an aside, I've been using cheap Chinese smart phones for years now, at a fraction of the price of an iPhone. There are many better things to spend money on..
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Old 18th May 2019, 18:03
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Originally Posted by Octane View Post
"Howver the idea of putting equipment made by a potentially hostile power at the heart of your countries comms networks (and key international networks) is in todays world pretty ridciculous"

Could this include the USA? Let's be clear, the only side they are on is their own. If there was any doubt, Mr Trump goes out of his way to send this message to the world...
Indeed, Dr Kissinger made the same point very clear decades ago; "America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests."

Should any nation which might conceivably find itself "on the outer" with the USA at some time in the future, buy 5g technology from an American business which, whilst currently independent of government, might find itself required by the US government to do their bidding and cooperate with, say, the CIA?
If not, then even trusting that Huawei today might be genuinely independent of the Chinese government, why would we trust the Chinese government not to require Huawei to cooperate with their espionage branches in the future?
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Old 18th May 2019, 18:19
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This has nothing to do with mobile phones-but critical network infrastructure is a different story completely. In todays world no sane country -which excludes the Uk these days would allow a potential enemy even if its an economic enemy to provide equipment for long haul transmission systems terrestrial and subsea or key switching nodes. It is one of those decisions where even the ultra capitalist USA has to stop overall money grabbing CEOs to enrich themselves by outsourcing to Chine who re engineer products very capably.

All major countries spy on each other and all try and intercept communications and so even if Huawei network equipment is innocent there is always the chance it isnt and one cannot take that chance . Its one of those situations where both sides have to agree to leave that sort of thing off the table-the US wouldnt sell F35s to china for a billion a piece would they and communications and data are the battlefield of the future not tanks and bombers . Of course we had no choice because Brexit leaves us powerless to stand up to China and by giving in to them have no doubt enraged Mr T.



It also shows the ineptness of politicans today as it could all have been dealt with quietly, as I said Huawei phones by their nature are harmless.

As my wifes Russian friend says-you have nothing to fear from us because you have nothing we want-China is our enemy as we have space water and natural resources galore and all they have is 1.7Bn people
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Old 18th May 2019, 18:49
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...ears-j793wztqk

Chinese links to Huawei rivals prompt security fears

The European companies that could supply more of Britain’s 5G network equipment if Huawei is banned carry security risks from their own close links to China, experts say.

Security researchers raised concerns about Ericsson and Nokia’s manufacturing of telecoms equipment at factories in China under joint ventures......

There has been less attention on the Chinese connections of Huawei’s main competitors. Ericsson, the Swedish telecoms company, makes network equipment in China in a venture with Panda Electronics, which is part-owned by the state. Panda supplies equipment to the Chinese military and is led by Xu Guofei, a former manager of the company’s military communications branch and secretary of its Communist Party committee.

The joint-venture partner of Nokia, based in Finland, is China Huaxin Post and Telecom Technologies, a state-owned company. The website of the joint venture’s Communist Party unit displays the hammer and sickle......

The risk to the supply chains of other telecoms companies manufacturing in China should be a matter of concern, experts said. Anthony Glees, head of the Centre for Security and Intelligence Studies at the University of Buckingham, said that Nokia and Ericsson’s Chinese links “merely deepen the crisis in which our government finds itself over 5G”.

Alan Woodward, a cybersecurity expert at the University of Surrey, said: “Some of the companies being used by the likes of Ericsson and Nokia have close links with the Chinese state and that is bound to raise security concerns and doubtless will cause various security services to check that the integrity of the supply chain can be assured.”.......


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Old 18th May 2019, 20:18
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...ears-j793wztqk

Chinese links to Huawei rivals prompt security fears

The European companies that could supply more of Britain’s 5G network equipment if Huawei is banned carry security risks from their own close links to China, experts say.

Security researchers raised concerns about Ericsson and Nokia’s manufacturing of telecoms equipment at factories in China under joint ventures......

There has been less attention on the Chinese connections of Huawei’s main competitors. Ericsson, the Swedish telecoms company, makes network equipment in China in a venture with Panda Electronics, which is part-owned by the state. Panda supplies equipment to the Chinese military and is led by Xu Guofei, a former manager of the company’s military communications branch and secretary of its Communist Party committee.

The joint-venture partner of Nokia, based in Finland, is China Huaxin Post and Telecom Technologies, a state-owned company. The website of the joint venture’s Communist Party unit displays the hammer and sickle......

The risk to the supply chains of other telecoms companies manufacturing in China should be a matter of concern, experts said. Anthony Glees, head of the Centre for Security and Intelligence Studies at the University of Buckingham, said that Nokia and Ericsson’s Chinese links “merely deepen the crisis in which our government finds itself over 5G”.

Alan Woodward, a cybersecurity expert at the University of Surrey, said: “Some of the companies being used by the likes of Ericsson and Nokia have close links with the Chinese state and that is bound to raise security concerns and doubtless will cause various security services to check that the integrity of the supply chain can be assured.”.......


Exactly my point.

Whatever criticisms people have of the USA - and their record isn’t spotless - citizens who are outspoken about the American government don’t ‘disappear’ Terminally ill political prisoners aren’t denied medical care, protesters aren’t routinely jailed, workers can join trade unions, anyone has the freedom to follow any religion and the state doesn’t decide how many children you can have, forced abortions etc etc.

I find it disgusting that we would even consider doing business with a country, such as China, with so much blood on its hands. Their version of communism is no different from a religion whose sole objective is world domination. And by allowing them to provide and access our technology, we are effectively handing over the keys.

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Old 19th May 2019, 23:42
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Google not providing updates or anything outside of AOSP (effectively useless for consumers) for Huawei Android devices.

This will decimate its mobile business outside of China... Google must have had its arm seriously twisted as they risk the emergence of a competitive fork that may well spread.
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Old 20th May 2019, 00:01
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Originally Posted by flash8 View Post
This will decimate its mobile business outside of China... Google must have had its arm seriously twisted as they risk the emergence of a competitive fork that may well spread.
indeed, China/Huawei will just develop something that's light years ahead of Google's android, AND won't have NSA backdoors, and the USA will once again be in the technology backwaters.
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Old 20th May 2019, 00:57
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
..........citizens who are outspoken about the American government don’t ‘disappear’ Terminally ill political prisoners aren’t denied medical care, protesters aren’t routinely jailed, workers can join trade unions, anyone has the freedom to follow any religion and the state doesn’t decide how many children you can have, forced abortions etc etc. - YET


But then, the US population isn't 1.4 billion - YET.
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Old 20th May 2019, 05:46
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So Google is going to join in with the great pissing off of a country who makes pretty much all the hardware that runs it's system of global advertising and spyware, you couldn't make this shit up
TBH I'm all for it Google needs its arse kicked.
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Old 20th May 2019, 06:14
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Wasn't Google in some difficulty recently over their alleged complicity with the Chinese government re internet controls/censorship in China?
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Old 20th May 2019, 06:19
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Yes but it is an amerikan company so it got away with it.
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Old 20th May 2019, 07:11
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Originally Posted by Hyperdark View Post
So Google is going to join in with the great pissing off of a country who makes pretty much all the hardware that runs it's system of global advertising and spyware, you couldn't make this shit up
haha, so true, maybe before China chops off 'merika's "Apple/Intel/Qualcomm" etc chips and boards and computers etc, they'll secretly change the US backdoors to point to Chinese servers, or just remove them totally so 'merika can't spy any more. 'twas an accident Donald, really...
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Old 20th May 2019, 07:16
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The hilarious thing here is that Google makes a lot of money from capturing data from all Android devices; Android is pretty much dependent on Google services, and although there are a few "de-Googled" versions of Android around, they are a PITA to use (although they do get rid of all the Google data capture stuff that goes on all the time in the background).

What's the difference between Google capturing personal data and the Chinese capturing data, as far as mobile 'phones are concerned (ignoring the concerns over Hauwei infrastructure)?
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Old 20th May 2019, 07:45
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Lets face it All countries do it to some degree, the main culprits are of course USA and China, the only difference between the two being that Amerika puts more effort into hiding it and has a citizanship that are brainwashed by blind patriotism so that they actually believe the bullshit they are fed, whereas in Chinah the people know they are being fed lies/propoganda but daren't talk about it
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Old 20th May 2019, 08:31
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Originally Posted by 2unlimited View Post


I have had iPhone for over 10 years, and having to charge the phone multiple times a day, getting 60 hours battery life from a smart phone that has everything and more that iPhone has, is exceptional.

Quality or the camera is astonishing, the processor is amazing. Using Android system was the only thing that worried me, after years with iPhone.
Was easy to transfer ALL data from iPhone to Huawei.

I later got the laptop, even more impressive, face recognition and finger print security, starts up ready to use in 5 seconds, battery life over 10 hours.

Once fully comfortable with all android functions and all setup, I doubt I will return to Apple/ iPhone again.

iPhones have shown very little innovation the last few years, and they keep increasing their prices, changing charging cables, etc until it just becomes stupid.

If you're having to charge any phone several times a day, then it's either faulty or the battery is knackered.
I have an iPhone Xr, charge it every 2 days...

Apple's face recognition in particular is light years ahead of the competition.
Try looking up how it works.

There's been very little innovation from any phone manufacturer for several years.
The technology has hit a wall.

Ah, yes Apple charging cables keep changing.
They have, once. From the wide plug to Lightning.
As an example, Samsung have used 4 differnt specs to my knowledge, Proprietry, USB Mini B, USB Micro B, and USB C.
Still, never let a good rant get in the way of the truth....
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Old 20th May 2019, 09:15
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If you're having to charge any phone several times a day, then it's either faulty or the battery is knackered.
I have an iPhone Xr, charge it every 2 days...

Apple's face recognition in particular is light years ahead of the competition.
Try looking up how it works.

There's been very little innovation from any phone manufacturer for several years.
The technology has hit a wall.

Ah, yes Apple charging cables keep changing.
They have, once. From the wide plug to Lightning.
As an example, Samsung have used 4 differnt specs to my knowledge, Proprietry, USB Mini B, USB Micro B, and USB C.
Still, never let a good rant get in the way of the truth....
talk about rant...

And how is comparing apple to samsung products related to the OP's "Is Hauwei up to dirty tricks" question?


Ps: It seems, apple is finally ditching the "lightning" connector for USB-C. So it's a "one more" change on the horizon
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Old 20th May 2019, 09:32
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Originally Posted by torvalds View Post
talk about rant...

And how is comparing apple to samsung products related to the OP's "Is Hauwei up to dirty tricks" question?


Ps: It seems, apple is finally ditching the "lightning" connector for USB-C. So it's a "one more" change on the horizon
No idea, I didn't bring the subject up, 2Unlimited did...

The loser in this mess now might be Apple and Google, China makes Apple's and Google's phone hardware.
One can see where China's going to take aim next...

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Old 20th May 2019, 16:13
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
No idea, I didn't bring the subject up, 2Unlimited did...

The loser in this mess now might be Apple and Google, China makes Apple's and Google's phone hardware.
One can see where China's going to take aim next...
Would it be unthinkable for the manufacture of these products to be repatriated to the USA? (Putting aside any logistical 'hole' in the production process which might result)
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Old 20th May 2019, 16:21
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I guess that a number of companies will think twice about buying technology from the USA when fulfillment of contractual obligations depends on their President's whims.
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Old 21st May 2019, 01:21
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
If you're having to charge any phone several times a day, then it's either faulty or the battery is knackered.
I have an iPhone Xr, charge it every 2 days...

Apple's face recognition in particular is light years ahead of the competition.
Try looking up how it works.

There's been very little innovation from any phone manufacturer for several years.
The technology has hit a wall.

Ah, yes Apple charging cables keep changing.
They have, once. From the wide plug to Lightning.
As an example, Samsung have used 4 differnt specs to my knowledge, Proprietry, USB Mini B, USB Micro B, and USB C.
Still, never let a good rant get in the way of the truth....
If the charge on your iPhone lasts 2 days, then I am guessing you are hardly ever using your phone for anything. The specs i gave you on the Huawei was 60 - 120 hours battery life on 1 charge. Using USB - C cable, which now Apple are also going to adapt. The Lighting cable has been a piece of crap since they started with that connection, constantly breaking connector, I have lost count of the amount of lightning cables I have gone trough over the years.

So what exactly makes Apples face recognition so unique compared to Huawei? (I have it on both laptop and phone)

What Apple phone can you buy for £750, that has 8gb Ram, 256 gb memory, 4 high quality cameras, dual sim, and battery life that can be extended up to 120 hours?
And if you find anything in the Apple range with those specs, what will the cost of this phone be?

Let's see how much Apple will cost if it has be manufactured in the US, get ready for another massive price hike of a device that have lacked innovation since iPhone 6 was released.
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