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Old 20th Mar 2020, 15:26
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I've had the flu vaccine for years now, never had any noticable side-effects whatsoever

As for not knowing any kids on the autistic spectrum when you were younger - I bet you knew disruptive kids, kids who were a "bit strange" etc etc

Similarly, in the 1800's, no-one knew anyone who had cholera.
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Old 20th Mar 2020, 15:48
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Originally Posted by Eclan View Post

When I was a kid I never heard of anyone with autism or an autistic child. As an adult I know, or know of, countless people with autistic kids.

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when you were a kid, severely autistic people were lumped together with the 'mentally ill' and housed out of sight.
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Old 20th Mar 2020, 16:06
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Originally Posted by Flyingbadge View Post
when you were a kid, severely autistic people were lumped together with the 'mentally ill' and housed out of sight.

I grew up near Chalfont St Peter. During the 1950s and 60's they had a fenced encampment there, that looked like a military establishment, with barbed wire on top of high chain link fencing all around. It was an Epileptic Colony, where the inmates (all male, IIRC) were shut away and only allowed out when supervised.
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Old 20th Mar 2020, 16:10
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Originally Posted by Eclan View Post
When I was a kid I never heard of anyone with autism or an autistic child.
I did. The son of a neighbour. It wasn't called autism then of course, but there's no doubt that is how he would be classified today.
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Old 20th Mar 2020, 20:59
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When I was a kid there were two other children in the neighbourhood who had what would be described as having autism. There were two other children at my primary school who had polio.

Now I'm the parent of a 33 year old son who has autism, he lives at home with us, he'd had the MMR jab. When the MMR/autism story broke we watched with interest and concern. Neither my wife and I aren't medically trained so we didn't who to believe, anti or pro vaccine.

Luck of the draw I guess, which ever way it won't change a thing. But one thing that has changed since I was a kid is the provision of care and support for him and others with similar conditions.
We are very thankful for that.
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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 02:32
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Almost certainly, some Anti Vaxers will be first in line for the COVID-18 Vaccine, and 12 months later when the pandemic has abated, they will start complaining that the vaccine caused them harm, they didn‘t want it but were forced to have the vaccine, it hadn’t been tested properly and was issued prematurely, etc.
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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 03:19
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rjtjrt, You're only guessing, anti vaxxers do have real belief in what they are doing.
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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 05:24
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Originally Posted by Takan Inchovit View Post
rjtjrt, You're only guessing, anti vaxxers do have real belief in what they are doing.
Belief but very little comprehension.
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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 07:21
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Just in case anyone hasn't seen it.

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Old 21st Apr 2021, 16:28
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Originally Posted by IcePaq View Post
Rabid conspiracy theorists have near zero positive effect on the subject of which they scream.

There are some legit concerns on vaccine production when you have companies like Chiron finding that they had 50 million contaminated doses of influenza vaccine as late as 2004.
Finding that huge amount means the contamination occurred early in the process before it was amplified for wide distribution.
This points to the manufacturing process is lacking in checks and balances.
It also gives legitimacy to the rabid anti-vaxxers and encourages them that they are correect.
The anti-vaxxers are not correct but neither was the manufacturer who produced upwards of 50 million contaminated doses.

The proper response lies somewhere in the middle in that there needs to be more attention paid to the production of vaccines.

For the average citizen, it is best to educate one's self on what you put into your body and choose based on the results of your research. If you can't be bothered?.....don't whine.

Personally, I approve of most vaccines but I do not participate in yearly vaccination.........but you can be damn sure I will be first in line when word is out that a particularly dangerous strain is making the rounds that causes a "cytokine storm" much like the h1n1 strain of 1918.
ORAC knows when a necropost is needed and appropriate.

Not eligible yet but soon.

The recently 15 million confirmed contaminated doses and another possible 120 million now being tested isn't helping my confidence but I will continue masking up and thoroughly research the manufacturing process of whatever one I prefer.

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Old 21st Apr 2021, 16:44
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Just had 2nd jab. Pfizer. All that was on offer. No reactions, yet.

Older daughter is friendly with a family from Jamaica. All rabid anti-vaxxers. MMR, Covid, whatever. I won't go near them currently.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 18:32
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anti vaxxers do have real belief in what they are doing
so do flat-earthers

and people who think Apollo 11 never made it to the moon, and people who visit palm readers and various stripes of religious loony (and remember most of them think the other religious beliefs are rubbish) and people who believe in the Loch Ness Monster, or Yeti Big Foot, or - and at one point people believed travelling at more than 30mph would kill you etc etc etc

Children believe in the Tooth Fairy and in Santa Claus too

etc etc etc
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 18:41
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When you get in a discussion with someone who says they refuse to get their child vaccinated because there's a link to autism, ask them what autism is

I bet they're stuck for words and finally come up with something like: "I don't really know ... but I know it's something bad"

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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 06:12
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. The recently 15 million confirmed contaminated doses and another possible 120 million now being tested isn't helping my confidence but I will continue masking up and thoroughly research the manufacturing process of whatever one I prefer.
IcePaq - I have worked in the pharmaceutical manufacturing industry, directly involved the production of therapeutics, for the last 30 odd years.
The systems in place for detecting problems with medicines are stringent, and work well - as indicated by the fact this contamination event has been picked up well before the product got into any people. The further testing of the remaining doses is an essential follow-up precaution, again, part of the well-established deviation and quality control process. This should give you confidence!

I think you'll struggle to research any manufacturing process in a meaningful way. Drug production is a very lengthy and complex business, and most of the manufacturing detail will be closely-guarded, well protected, proprietory information, with thousands of steps.
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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 13:51
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Personally I don't mind anti-vaxxers ... in the same way that I don't mind drunk drivers

It's ok to drive drunk if say you own and live on an old airfield where you can drive to your hearts content and at some point will probably kill just yourself. I have a problem though when drunk drivers cross the airport boundary, go on the public streets as they'll end up killing someone else

Same with anti-vaxxers - don't take the vaccine if you don't want to, but then you have to stay locked up in your own house and never go out to mingle with the general population, because to do so is just selfish, in the way drunk driving on the public roads is selfish
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