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Old 30th Mar 2019, 09:56
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Help needed ....

I am working on a Bullshit Bingo card and I would like some help filling in the little squares. In order to help, I seek people with the following qualifications:

1. No previous exposure to whatever it is that Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., has to tell us about pretty much anything at all, but especially about vaccination and vaccines. For example, I have none. I know who he is, and that hie speaks about this part of public health, but that is about it.

2. Healthy skepticism about alternative medicine.

That is about it, really.

When I have my 24 little data points I shall publish them here, at which point we can all soak in the wisdom of whatever RFK, Jr., has to tell us about vaccination and vaccines, with the winner being the first one to submit five across or five down: Bingo!

The prize will be a very handsome certificate of participation suitable for framing.
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 10:12
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Originally Posted by Stan Woolley View Post
I really hope you see the irony in that sentence.
Dave, youíre probably the finest provider of aviation facts on the forum, yet when it came to this topic, your facts turned out to be fiction. Thatís not you.
Itís what Iíve been banging on about, bias is powerful.
OK, I was wrong about how he earns a living, mea culpa.

But whether he's a lawyer or a businessman, I don't see how either qualifies him to gainsay the results of a ton of independent medical trials that have failed to find a link between vaccination and autism.

If you want to call that bias, fine.
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 12:02
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Originally Posted by Stan Woolley View Post
At last we have the truth.
You might hold this bloke in high regard - doesn't mean anyone else has to.
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 12:04
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
OK, I was wrong about how he earns a living, mea culpa.

But whether he's a lawyer or a businessman, I don't see how either qualifies him to gainsay the results of a ton of independent medical trials that have failed to find a link between vaccination and autism.

If you want to call that bias, fine.
It is bias. It may be subconscious.

You obviously looked at the thread and felt that it was worth making a comment, but you didn’t put in any effort at making sure that the comment was factual. I’ve never seen you you do that in an aviation related thread.


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Old 30th Mar 2019, 12:38
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On the contrary, assessing whether he is qualified to make the pronouncements that he has done is simply exercising one's critical faculties.

Something we should all do in relation to anything we see, hear or read, whether aviation-related or not.

Bias is the exact opposite of that.
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 13:02
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
On the contrary, assessing whether he is qualified to make the pronouncements that he has done is simply exercising one's critical faculties.

Something we should all do in relation to anything we see, hear or read, whether aviation-related or not.

Bias is the exact opposite of that.


Dave, can’t you see that if you’re saying this is what you did in this case, it doesn’t say much for your ‘critical faculties’?

Bias is when you let prejudice cloud your ‘critical faculties’. I will leave it to others to judge if this applies to you in this instance.


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Old 30th Mar 2019, 13:36
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I take it you have been vaccinated against comprehending English, Stan. In your case the vaccination seems to have been 100% effective.

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Old 30th Mar 2019, 13:51
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
I take it you have been vaccinated against comprehending English, Stan. In your case the vaccination seems to have been 100% effective.

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My English is perfectly adaquate afaic.
More bias.
Capiche.
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 14:01
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Vaccination refusal is a perfect example of evolution weeding out the weaker variations of species
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 14:08
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Originally Posted by chuks View Post
I am working on a Bullshit Bingo card and I would like some help filling in the little squares. In order to help, I seek people with the following qualifications:

1. No previous exposure to whatever it is that Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., has to tell us about pretty much anything at all, but especially about vaccination and vaccines. For example, I have none. I know who he is, and that hie speaks about this part of public health, but that is about it.

2. Healthy skepticism about alternative medicine.

That is about it, really.

When I have my 24 little data points I shall publish them here, at which point we can all soak in the wisdom of whatever RFK, Jr., has to tell us about vaccination and vaccines, with the winner being the first one to submit five across or five down: Bingo!

The prize will be a very handsome certificate of participation suitable for framing.
Hereís something much more interesting. Sabrowsky is a Jew and an expert on his subject.*

https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/alan-is...an-in-america/
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 14:15
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Vaccination refusal is a perfect example of evolution weeding out the weaker variations of species
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Whoís talking about vaccination refusal? All Iím talking about is educating yourself somewhat before accepting the Ďauthoritiesí word about everything.
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 14:23
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Originally Posted by Stan Woolley View Post


Whoís talking about vaccination refusal? All Iím talking about is educating yourself somewhat before accepting the Ďauthoritiesí word about everything.
If I educated myself to a sufficient extent to judge the efficacy of complex medical treatment before undergoing it, I would be dead.
Instead my research was limited to checking the reputation of the surgeon, and then I placed my trust in her. It was the correct choice.
The same principle applies to recommended vaccinations.
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 14:39
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Tbh, Iím not sure I want a lecture on morals and scrupulousness from any of the Kennedy family - but thatís a whole new thread.
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 14:55
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At the risk of offending several of our more liberal members, I should point out that the scion of the Kennedy family, Joe, made his fortune as a bootlegger. Son Joe, Jr. was an hero of World War II. Sons John and Robert were philanderers (with good taste at least - eg. Marilyn Monroe); they both played loose and fast with the truth. (Bay of Pigs.) Edward "Teddy" Kennedy was a cheater/plagiarist at Harvard who graduated to murder at Chappaquiddick. William Kennedy Smith was acquitted of rape in 1991, and RFK, Jr. was stopped in front of the U.S. Capitol in a state of inebriation sufficiently deep to cause global amnesia: he could remember neither who or where he was. Many of the clan are dipsomaniacs. I'm Irish, I get it, but I take anything any of 'em say with a tiny grain of salt (and perhaps a wee pinch o' the demon whiskey!)

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Old 30th Mar 2019, 15:04
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Haha any distraction will do for a righteous bunch.

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Old 31st Mar 2019, 00:46
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Originally Posted by Stan Woolley View Post
My English is perfectly adaquate afaic.
Clearly not. Your grasp of the meaning of the word "bias" is tenuous - it does not mean:

1. knowing more than you on a particular subject
2. offering verifiable, supported facts that refute your blather
3. having reasoned views that are at odds with your baseless ramblings

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Old 31st Mar 2019, 09:54
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
Clearly not. Your grasp of the meaning of the word "bias" is tenuous - it does not mean:

1. knowing more than you on a particular subject
2. offering verifiable, supported facts that refute your blather
3. having reasoned views that are at odds with your baseless ramblings

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Cognitive Bias is the very reason that youíre playing the man rather than the ball, the reason Dave Reid wrote such an uncharacteristic comment, and the reason many others here are stamping their feet like angry children rather than addressing what I might be attempting to say.

Itís interesting. Why do people have such firm ideas about things? They appear to be angry about something that hasnít happened to them, and the likelihood of it ever affecting them is tiny.

The thing is, my real interest lies not in vaccines, but in the way people react to the discussion. As Dave said, the evidence against big pharma is there to back up people like Kennedy and many others. So why the overreaction to any discussion trying to find out where the truth lies?

Itís complicated, as I learn more about propaganda and people. Anyway, this is quite an interesting video about RFKjr, he seems to me like a thoughtful, interesting man who definitely has a sense of humour. Unlike many here!







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Old 31st Mar 2019, 10:30
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Meanwhile, thanks to low MMR rates
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 10:34
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
“You should be aware that the nature of protection afforded by many modern vaccines – and that includes most of the vaccines recommended by the CDC for children – is not consistent with such a statement.“

Harvard Immunologist to Legislators: Unvaccinated Children Pose ZERO Risk to Anyone
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 10:50
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From the article presented by Sallyann.

“The "damaging" work of discredited scientist and struck-off medic Andrew Wakefield in the 1990s "helped fuel the fire of the anti-vaccine movement," according to Prof Ball.”

Would the Andrew Wakefield controversy, which took place twenty years ago, really have enough energy to be largely the reason for people’s unease with vaccinations? I doubt it very much. The reason the problem won’t go away is because there’s a fundamental dishonesty in the vaccine industry, and people sense it.
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