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Old 29th Mar 2019, 11:14
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post


Poltical ambition, cashing in on the growing anti Vaxx movement, raising his personal profile etc etc
Really? Political ambition? LOL Itís political suicide to raise your head above the parapet and speak out as heís doing. And the only people cashing in on vaccinations are those who suppress the bad news.

As he said in the video above, heíd like to go back to doing what he did before he became involved.
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 11:15
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I once had malaria, when I was told afterwards that it would not recur. That was about 15 years ago, and I have not had a recurrence. I think I received Lariam.

At one point I think I was using Lariam for prophylaxis, when I then had terrible dreams, very realistic ones. I quit using whatever that was, when the dreams stopped immediately.

On the other hand, perhaps that other chap did not get as effective a treatment as I was given. I have been told that it can hide in the liver in some cases, to recur later, but I am not sure if that is still so.

Stan, here, just around the hacienda, we have one GP with a Doktortitel, one dentist with a Doktortitel, and another dentist just waiting to defend her thesis to be awarded her Doktortitel sometime later this year.

These people all received extensive medical training in immunology and none has any use whatsoever for arguments against immunization. My wife the Doktor made sure that our children got all their shots; she makes sure to get all her shots whenever we go on holidays abroad; and I make sure to get all my shots too. (I even went so far as to be immunized against rabies because of the stray animals that were around our base in Algeria.)

Frankly, I don't give a tinker's damn for whatever RFK, Jr., has to say about the perils of vaccines. I used to see people in Nigeria who'd had polio. Not that their parents were for or against vaccination, just that it had not been made available to their children, with terrible consequences.

The danger, as just mentioned by a fellow who seems to be some sort of expert, is that there can be spill-over from all this oratory by RFK, Jr. Someone with no real idea about the science behind vaccination can think "He's famous and he seems to know what he's talking about, plus why would he be so fervent about something he is ignorant of? Doesn't he have to worry about his reputation?"

It's just like these assclowns who speak of how "they" (the Jews!) faked 9/11, and before that the moon landings. They sure can sound as if they know what they are talking about ... except that they are delusional. Nail them on one point and they just jump across to another one. Good luck storming Castle Moonbat; I have tried that and failed because a fool drags you down to his level and then beats you with experience.

You go right ahead and skip your shots; skip the shots for your children; skip the shots for your grandchildren ... but all of you, stay the hell away from me and mine! You go be sick someplace private, Stan, if that is what you are in to.

RFK, Jr. ... do you think that when he gets sick he will just crawl off and die, or will he go see one of those doctors who might want to give him some shots?
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 11:40
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Frankly, I don't give a tinker's damn for whatever RFK, Jr., has to say about the perils of vaccines.
At last we have the truth.

Rather than picking faults in RFK, please try replying to the points he makes in his presentation!
As is typical, you’d rather rant than address my point.
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 12:04
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Originally Posted by double_barrel View Post
I do. If I was to describe my skillset in one word it would be immunogenetics - that's what I did a PhD in many years ago and an area in which I been actively involved in research ever since.

When I see the dangerous, ignorant [email protected] from the anti vaxxers, I feel about the same as you would feel when as a pilot you are accused of laying chemtrails. Although the ant-vaxx crap is actually much more stupid and dangerous than that, because its damage extends beyond mere stupidity to loss of life.
Have you watched the video?Have you watched the video? Have you watched the video?

My boss always used to say you had to tell people three times to get the message to register.

I have answered these type of ideas in posts #145 and #196. I never received a proper response from either, except saying that you hadnít considered my politics, which I appreciate.

Have you watched the presentation. Yea or nay?
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 12:06
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I was going to ignore the rest of this thread.
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Stan, you don't have any actual points. All of your ideas are based on a lack of knowledge which you then attempt to back up with nonsense articles and random Youtube videos.

I've been in the pharmaceutical industry for thirty years, the first three actually hands-on making vaccines, the last 27 in immunotherapy.
Given that I am therefore quite well versed wuth what goes on, did I give my children vaccinations? Absolutely.
Why would I do that to my own offspring if they were more dangerous than the diseases they prevent?
I am aware you will likely claim some special knowledge gleaned from Youtube or Wikipedia which has passed me by over the last three decades on the front line of the industry.

Right, that's me done I think.
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 12:26
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Originally Posted by Stan Woolley View Post
Have you watched the video?Have you watched the video? Have you watched the video?

My boss always used to say you had to tell people three times to get the message to register.
Yes, yes, yes.

It's twaddle, it's twaddle, it's twaddle.

Capiche, capiche, capiche?

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Old 29th Mar 2019, 12:39
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Stan, you are welcome to your views on this, how much cred to give RFK, Jr., and all that sort of thing. I don't mind, same as I don't mind people who think the Jews in Hollywood faked the moon landings and then bragged about how they did that by making Capricorn One. If you want to come up with something that hangs together, cause and effect and Q.E.D. then go right ahead.

Hell, I have had to sit there and listen to how Hitler started out with the best intentions, only to be betrayed by his underlings. I just sat there nodding politely rather than flipping over the coffee table and storming off, or even merely telling my narrator that he was a Tollpatsch, an Arschloch, and a Dummbatz all rolled into one. He was not going to change, plus nobody who mattered listened to his nonsense, so, "So what?" That was just something to do with his mental health and his not being highly contagious.

This other thing, though ... say someone's unimmunized little treasure is hiding a viral surprise and is invited to hold a baby. What happens then? All hell could break loose then, and it's one reason why immunization is sometimes required, always highly recommended. This is not just playing around with the facts about the moon landings or who Hitler really was.

If you want to play Bullshit Bingo with me, Stan, let me make up a card before I even bother to listen to one thing that RFK, Jr., wants us to know about vaccines, and then let's see if I can fill in at least one row of five squares. Big Pharma bribing doctors; the Jews, of course; some kid who got the shots and then went autistic, or two kids who did so; mercury (!); aluminum (!); live viruses being injected into healthy bodies (!); vaccines don't work and Big Pharma knows that and hides that; and so on. What do I need, 24 squares, with the one in the middle a gimme? You tell me and I will get on it fairly soon.

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Old 29th Mar 2019, 12:50
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
Without wishing to digress too much, many years ago, I knew an elderly chap who had had a military posting to Malaysia in his youth. Every so often, he would suddenly get severe shivers, sweat profusely and ache all over - very much like a severe dose of flu. He always maintained that this was latent malaria that he had contracted as a young man. Once infected, does it really stay inert in a human and then flare up periodically?
Not with modern drugs properly used and with sensitive parasites. In the old days the liver form was very hard to eradicate and recurrence was common.
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 13:00
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If you want to play Bullshit Bingo with me, Stan, let me make up a card before I even bother to listen to one thing that RFK, Jr., wants us to know about vaccines, and then let's see if I can fill in at least one row of five squares. Big Pharma bribing doctors; the Jews, of course; some kid who got the shots and then went autistic, or two kids who did so; mercury (!); aluminum (!); live viruses being injected into healthy bodies (!); vaccines don't work and Big Pharma knows that and hides that; and so on. What do I need, 24 squares, with the one in the middle a gimme? You tell me and I will get on it fairly soon.
Youíre still ranting.
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 13:09
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Right, that's me done I think.
Then there’s little point in me replying I guess. Shame, because I’d like to ask you about the differences that may exist between the US and here. (The UK)
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 13:22
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Just to reiterate again. I’m more concerned about the state of things in the US, because we are likely to follow their path. I think that there might just be a problem with some vaccines. But the bigger problem is the way any vaccine injuries are dealt with, and how people are unwilling to even talk about the possibilities.

All I’ve had is people saying that it’s all rubbish, all nonsense, not anything that might be critical of anything I or they might have heard about the cdc being anything but perfect. I’m a trouble maker, stirring the pot.

Well, maybe the pot needs stirring once in a while
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 13:28
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Anti Vaxxers ( including Robert Kennedy Jnr) have tried to link the use of Thimerosal in vaccines to autism. No connection has been found to the syndrome and despite Thimerosal being removed, as a precaution in 1999, incidents of autism have not reduced.

Nothing is risk free but as parents we need to weigh up the risks ( as with any treatment or prevention) of the actual disease against the possible side effects of the vaccine.
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 14:55
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Originally Posted by Stan Woolley View Post
All Iíve had is people saying that itís all rubbish, all nonsense, not anything that might be critical of anything I or they might have heard about the cdc being anything but perfect. Iím a trouble maker, stirring the pot.
Because you don't understand the scale of the gap between reality and these youtube videos.

All I've heard from pilots is laughing and dismissing as nonsense the evidence for chemtrails. You are so narrow minded.

Of course there may be some particular problems with some particular vaccines, but non of this garbage comes close to addressing reality.
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 16:57
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Originally Posted by double_barrel View Post
Because you don't understand the scale of the gap between reality and these youtube videos.

All I've heard from pilots is laughing and dismissing as nonsense the evidence for chemtrails. You are so narrow minded.

Of course there may be some particular problems with some particular vaccines, but non of this garbage comes close to addressing reality.
Are you Uk based? If so, do you really know what happens in the states?
By the way, I might dismiss chemtrailers but I would not necessarily laugh at them.

And I just don’t know for example how you can dismiss what is said from around 44:40, we are listening to a recording of Dr William Thomson, a cdc whistleblower speak in his own voice!
Why should we not believe him, but believe you? This is his reality, and he was far closer to the truth than you have been. Unless you will now tell me that you were involved with the cdc and have similar experience to Thomson? This isn’t an opinion of some quack off the street, he’s from the very heart of things.

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Old 29th Mar 2019, 18:35
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I'm perfectly prepared to believe that the CDC is in bed with Big Pharma - there seems to be plenty of evidence for that.

But that doesn't have any bearing on whether RFK Jr's uninformed views on vaccines are credible.
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 21:01
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
I'm perfectly prepared to believe that the CDC is in bed with Big Pharma - there seems to be plenty of evidence for that.

But that doesn't have any bearing on whether RFK Jr's uninformed views on vaccines are credible.
Thatís contradictory in my view Dave.
What independent evidence do you have that his views are uninformed? One of his main complaints seems to be that the official people overseeing vaccines (FDA/CDC) are not fit for purpose. My suspicion is that heís probably correct in his view. If so he is surely at least partly correct, thereby not totally uninformed. Like me, he is not against vaccination. Personally I am happy to see someone like him putting the brakes on big pharma, somebody needs to.
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 22:43
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OK, it's an assumption.

But, given that he's a politician and businessman, not a scientist or doctor, I think it's a reasonable one.
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 22:58
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
OK, it's an assumption.

But, given that he's a politician and businessman, not a scientist or doctor, I think it's a reasonable one.
Wrong, heís primarily a lawyer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr.
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 23:52
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Well that's even worse - they never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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Old 30th Mar 2019, 07:10
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Well that's even worse - they never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
I really hope you see the irony in that sentence.
Dave, youíre probably the finest provider of aviation facts on the forum, yet when it came to this topic, your facts turned out to be fiction. Thatís not you.
Itís what Iíve been banging on about, bias is powerful.

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