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Childrenís Climate Protest.

Old 16th Feb 2019, 09:32
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Childrenís Climate Protest.

I suspect this will probably be a contentious issue but, whilst I sympathise and understand the honourable principles behind yesterdayís organised protest, I work daily with schoolage children. In my experience, very few of them seem to grasp (despite being told repeatedly) that keeping doors closed on a cold day, being less fussy and wasteful with food and taking responsibility for their own litter can have a more positive impact on the environment than high profile marching in London in front of the media.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 09:42
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That's the thing, grand (empty) gestures are more highly valued than small, conscious ,consistent actions. Common sense isn't common any more.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 09:47
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Funnily enough, any attempt to turn the heating down, or off. Or walk as opposed to drive meets the strongest resistance from...the children! But then who wouldnít want a free day off school.
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They should stay in class and study whataboutery ...
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 09:55
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The thing that puzzles me is the coordinated attack on these 2022 voters from all wings of the Tory party (you can see from the MPs' tweets that they've all been told to put out the same stuff). Throwing away an entire generation of voters is a curious strategy, to say the least.
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I find it ironic that the ISIS bride who now wants to come home is being described, in some quarters, as a naive teenager who was easily manipulated, whereas these "strikers" are portrayed as passionate and engaged.

If I were still at school and had the opportunity then I would probably have done the same. But if someone had really pressed me as to why, then I think I would have struggled to answer in anything other than meaningless platitudes. The reality, if I were honest, would have been that it was all a bit of a lark with the added bonus that I could bunk off school for a bit.

I note, from the story that the BBC are running, that the protesters have a list of demands. These demands weren't just spontaneous - so who is actually pulling the strings behind the scenes?
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They also don't appear to recognise that overpopulation is the major cause - i.e. too many children being born over too many years.....
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too many children being born over too many years.....
Blame religion . . .
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Religions - of whatever flavour - who disapprove of and discourage birth control are, in my opinion at least, not only anti-social but totally irresponsible.
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Funnily enough, any attempt to turn the heating down, or off. Or walk as opposed to drive meets the strongest resistance from...the children! But then who wouldnít want a free day off school.
Free day to stand about all day, potentially in the cold or rain? Not me at 15- unless I really wanted to.

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Free day to stand about all day, potentially in the cold or rain? Not me at 15- unless I really wanted to.
Well at that age I'd certainly have preferred being in school, learning the science to help me understand the situation properly.

And who hasn't had the experience of kids in the house - TV blaring away and all the lights on in empty rooms?

Common sense isn't common any more.
I'm not sure it ever was. And even now I know people who will leave lights on when they are not paying for the electricity, even though they are meticulous about turning them off at home, and then bleat about damage to the environment.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 12:35
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
Free day to stand about all day, potentially in the cold or rain? Not me at 15- unless I really wanted to.

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Ah, but was that all children all the time? Or some of the children some of the time?

How many demonstrations persist after the cameras have left?
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How many demonstrations persist after the cameras have left?
I was once attending a conference outside which there was a group of people demonstrating against us (hundreds, so large as such demos go).

I walked through the crowd of demonstrators, clearly identifiable by what I was wearing and/or carrying as a conference attendee.

They all ignored me. Not one of the demonstrators tried to convince me of their point of view. The whole demo was a sham - they weren't there to change our minds about anything, to lobby for their cause, to educate us, or anything like that - they were just there for the cameras.

(I have met other demonstrators who do actually want to stop people and talk to them, so they're not all like that.)
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When I was their age we were encouraged to do something about the environment ourselves, not wave placards outside the town hall. We planted trees around the edges of our school playing fields as part of a national initiative known as "Plant a Tree in '73". What seems to be lacking in today's educational system is the Initiative - these days it's all about insisting that someone else sorts out the mess.
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At that age, if there was no skool work to do, the 3 members of the Harlequins scrum who all taught in my skool would "persuade" us that a bit more practice on the rugby ground was required.
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When I was their age we were encouraged to do something about the environment ourselves, not wave placards outside the town hall. We planted trees around the edges of our school playing fields as part of a national initiative known as "Plant a Tree in '73". What seems to be lacking in today's educational system is the Initiative - these days it's all about insisting that someone else sorts out the mess.
This generation of children are far more engaged in politics and the world around them than my generation ever were. Who says they arenít all doing something about it as well as protesting. In Europe itís been going on for quite a while and itís blown across the channel. Yes some of there will be there for a doss. But the next generation coming along are far more engaged and politically savvy than my generation was. Itís easy to scoff and ignore them. But itís winter, so itís far easier for them to sit inside in a warm classroom than go outside every single Friday for an hour or so.

Im sorry but we are burning down this planet around us. Yes the vast problem is overpopulation. But thatís not going to go away in the short to medium term, so kids these days are taking an interest in their future. Few other people are. Itís this kind of grassroots movements from affected parties that forces the long term change thatís needed. Our generation and older can scoff all we like, but weíll get left behind when the change does come. I know in my house my 9 year old daughter is forcing us to change our habits. And itís incremental gains that force the win. Just ask Team Sky and GB cycling.
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Maybe the TV coverage here wasn't the best, focusing as it did on schoolkids 'on strike' and waving banners. Our generation have more respect for those leading by example than mere protesters, and the TV coverage should have shown the kids picking up litter & recycling as well as protesting.
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Old 16th Feb 2019, 19:50
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I wonder what some of their reactions would be if they were told that the mass production and recycling/scrapping of modern electronic devices such as mobile phones, tablets, laptops etc contributes to climate change so by getting rid of these or not getting the latest models each year then they would be making a positive step to helping the planet.
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I wonder what some of their reactions would be if they were told that the mass production and recycling/scrapping of modern electronic devices such as mobile phones, tablets, laptops etc contributes to climate change so by getting rid of these or not getting the latest models each year then they would be making a positive step to helping the planet.

hereís the thing. Whilst you wouldnít be ok with that. Most of them would. Weíre the ones addicted to screens. Weíre the ones delegating parenting to nanny computer. They donít want that. They want us.
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Old 17th Feb 2019, 03:29
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strike

Dictionary result for strike


/strʌɪk/

noun
  1. 1.
    a refusal to work organized by a body of employees as a form of protest, typically in an attempt to gain a concession or concessions from their employer.

They are not employed, are not refusing to work for their employer, therefore cannot hope to gain concessions from their employer. Thus they are not "striking". Perhaps the organizers should have attended school instead of "protesting". How do they hope to force their list of "demands"? By continuing to stay away from school? Who will ultimately be the loser there?
I could just about guarantee that none of them will have done anything actually concrete to further their aims. Protesting is sooo much easier than being inconvenienced.
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