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Old 12th Feb 2019, 14:16
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Come into work, cough and sneeze everywhere over the other shifts, when on handover, and then hoover up all of the overtime when they inevitably call in sick. Simples.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 16:21
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ST, a strong case for basing an avmed doctor at each airport. Going to your GP is no guarantee of getting a valid clearance to fly.

Once went to a civilian medical practitioner who cleared me to fly gave me a bottle of nasal drops and a pipette. Wholly impracticable and as I was clearly unfit I was taken off the programme.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 17:41
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ST, a strong case for basing an avmed doctor at each airport. Going to your GP is no guarantee of getting a valid clearance to fly.
1). An "AvMed doctor" at each airport? How would that be funded? Also, not everyone is actually based at an airport per se.

2). I'm more than old enough to understand the limitations of some GP's understanding when it comes to aviation matters, but a GP can provide suitable guidance. It would be very difficult for an employer to over-rule the opinion of a GP and insist that an aircrew member is fit to fly when he/she has obtained a recommendation not to fly and a prescription.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 19:11
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ST, I know it was a fag packet idea but in relation to a military air base or a cruise ship there would be far more customers. While it would be nice to have your own company man you could also have a contract system.

That 'you' don't live near the airport should not be an issue. If you feel unfit to travel to the air port then it is not a question of fit to fly.

Yes, there would be a cost but given the potential it should not be massive in relation to other costs.

The case for an on airport doctor would be to advise in cases where you needed a go/no go decision etc especially given the frequent difficulty of getting a GP appointment.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 19:26
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To be fair, going to see a gp because you have a cold is the act of an oxygen thief. You should hang your head in shame and ease the pressure on an overloaded system.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 19:50
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PN,

By the term "based", I meant not operating from an airport, rather than not living at one.

Unfortunately, it isn't ever going to happen in the real world.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 21:24
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It wouldn't require someone to be trained as a GP to triage aircrew for fitness to fly.
GPs train for a variety of maladies that a pilot would never encounter.
A suitably trained paramedic, nurse, or even a pharmacist would do.
Most (if not all) airports would have suitable staff.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 21:45
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
It wouldn't require someone to be trained as a GP to triage aircrew for fitness to fly.
GPs train for a variety of maladies that a pilot would never encounter.
A suitably trained paramedic, nurse, or even a pharmacist would do.
Most (if not all) airports would have suitable staff.
Surely a professional pilot can make a professional decision as to whether they are fit to fly commercially. Do you really need a doc/nurse/pharmacist/soothsayer for that?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 21:56
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
Does people actually see a doc for the common cold or flu?
No.

But you can take this a little too far. Like an older couple I know who didn't call a doctor when they both got pneumonia.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 22:19
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
Surely a professional pilot can make a professional decision as to whether they are fit to fly commercially. Do you really need a doc/nurse/pharmacist/soothsayer for that?
Of course they can (to fly commercially or any other type of flying). That doesn't solve the problem of not easily being able to see a doctor for medical help, which would hopefully hasten recovery.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 22:21
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
........ The aspect I object to is the emergence of pharmacists in lieu of seeing a GP, and that's not being disparaging to their profession, it's more to do with the fact they have a decidedly vested commercial interest in selling pharma products, plus, they don't have the comprehensive diagnostic skills of a GP......and then there's the even more limited to non existent diagnostic skills of receptionists......
Unless....... Had a nasty red patch on the elbow/upper and lower arm last year so wandered into local Dispensing Pharmacy named after a style of footware just on the offchance as nowt better to do with my day and the arm did look a "bit pink". Cute receptionist came over full of smiles .... and promptly screamed out loud when she saw said elbow as I raised my arm .... which caused pharmacist to leg it at v. v. high speed round from the back to see what H 'n' H was doing to cause such a commotion ... only to go "Bl**dy hell! Get yourself straight down to A&E with that! NOW! There's absolutely nothing I can do for you!!". Cute receptionist clearly diagnosed cronic arm-rot straight off. But a course of antibiotics, washed down with large quantities of beer (not sure that was allowed), worked a treat! Still got both arms!!!!
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 08:27
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
Of course they can (to fly commercially or any other type of flying). That doesn't solve the problem of not easily being able to see a doctor for medical help, which would hopefully hasten recovery.
And there is a difference between self declaration and medical certification.

I agree a trained nurse practitioner could be as effective.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 09:22
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A better situation would be for employers in the aviation industry to provide private health care.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 10:00
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
A better situation would be for employers in the aviation industry to provide private health care.
I would not be surprised if some don't.
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 10:50
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
I would not be surprised if some don't.
Hence my original post on this subject....
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 13:43
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Originally Posted by Kiltrash View Post
What do you do? Assuming you do not have BUPA, Private medical or company plan ....
Go to A&E and after a 6he wait you are not urgent go home?
Go to get a appt with your Doctor? We can give you 10 days time ...by which you are well or dead?
Call 101 and after a 30 minute telephone consultation advised to go to your pharmacist?
Go to your Pharmist and get a pack of expensive Paraetamol?
Or man up go to the pub and phone in sick tomorriw?
You do not need to do any of the above, and especially do not need to see a doctor if you have a cold ! Strewth !

We are the descendants of thousands of generations of humans who’s immune systems successfully fought things like the common cold. As such, our bodies are amazing things, and are equipped to fight many ailments. Your body will get better by itself.

Take daily multi vitamins and minerals if you are under the weather. Your immune system will be making millions of white blood cells and all sorts of T cells, killer cells etc to fight whatever it is you’ve got. Give it the raw materials and the trace elements that you might be lacking to enable the construction of all these extra fighting elements.

To ease the pain and discomfort of the cold, there are things such as night nurse/day nurse, etc to make the misery more bearable.

If your cold is bad, stay at home, both to help you recover, and to prevent spreading whatever you have got to others. If you still have a cold after 2 weeks, you might need to seek professional advice, but go to your pharmacist first, NOT your doctor - Dr is too busy with people’s serious injuries and problems.

Stay in until better, and now you have time to watch all those box sets, or Wheeler dealers, while catching up on your ironing.

Get well soon.

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Edited to add; DON’T ask for, or use antibiotics. The common cold is caused by a virus, NOT bacteria, so antibiotics are a waste of time and money. They will not cure a cold and their inappropriate overuse brings about superbugs such as MRSA.

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