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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 09:23
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
I beg to differ. Your comment is valid for conventional roundabouts; for mini-roundabouts it certainly isn't.
Agree with that Dave,also,even when indicating right,extreme care needs to be taken when doing a 180 on a mini-roundabout,and on more than one occasion,I have almost been taken out when,having passed through 90deg's,the traffic coming from the opposite direction(initially),assumed that I was making a right turn,and drove straight over the painted disk,which almost resulted in my O/S corner colliding with his N/S as I came through about 170 deg's.Of course,I should have had priority,being on the roundabout already,but in these circumstances,self preservation takes precedence,and one automatically slams on the brakes to avoid contact !
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 09:33
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
SOP on motorways these days seems increasingly to be drivers indicating when they have already started to pull out (or in) in front of you. After all, why spoil the surprise by giving a warning in advance?
Dave, clearly obeying the MSM mantra drilled into them: manoeuvre, signal, mirror.

In India they appear to take automation further by connecting horn to the brakes and indicators.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 09:49
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Originally Posted by ex82watcher View Post
Agree with that Dave,also,even when indicating right,extreme care needs to be taken when doing a 180 on a mini-roundabout,and on more than one occasion,I have almost been taken out when,having passed through 90deg's,the traffic coming from the opposite direction(initially),assumed that I was making a right turn,and drove straight over the painted disk,which almost resulted in my O/S corner colliding with his N/S as I came through about 170 deg's.Of course,I should have had priority,being on the roundabout already,but in these circumstances,self preservation takes precedence,and one automatically slams on the brakes to avoid contact !
I suggest you make yourself familiar with article 188 of the Highway Code.
It says that U turns on mini-roundabouts are to be avoided, for exactly the reason you have experienced.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 09:53
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,and drove straight over the painted disk,
Which you should not do either.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 10:42
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
I suggest you make yourself familiar with article 188 of the Highway Code.
It says that U turns on mini-roundabouts are to be avoided, for exactly the reason you have experienced.

ST,what is the date of issue of that Highway Code?I have just checked my copy,which I see is now way out of date,being published in 2007,but it would have been current at the time of the incidents alluded to in my post(my car was then brand-new). In this edition,the guidance is as follows:

164.Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts.All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so.Remember,there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal.Beware of vehicles making U-turns.

This clearly puts the onus on the driver about to enter the roundabout,but perhaps since then the advice has been amended in the light of experiences similar to mine ? If so,then I am grateful to you for alerting me to the change'and I shall obtain an up-to-date HC at the earliest opportunity !
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 10:48
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Freelander being driven by a Freeloader.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 10:53
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Freelander being driven by a Freeloader.
Does his service during the war come under that description as well?
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 11:55
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"Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts."

This has slightly different connotations from "Don't make U-turns" or " U-turns are prohibited "

Avoid is frequently moderated by 'if possible ' or similar.

Looking at the diagrams all the roads in that illustration have give way markings. How many times, joining from a minor road do we see a stream of traffic from our right ignoring their give way signs on the assumption that major road gives them automatic priority. If you have the temerity to enter the roundabout in front of them as they approach their give way signsigns.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 12:16
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ST,what is the date of issue of that Highway Code?I have just checked my copy,which I see is now way out of date,being published in 2007,but it would have been current at the time of the incidents alluded to in my post(my car was then brand-new).
This is from the current, online version:
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Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10(1) & 16(1)
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 12:18
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
"Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts."

This has slightly different connotations from "Don't make U-turns" or " U-turns are prohibited "

Avoid is frequently moderated by 'if possible ' or similar.

Looking at the diagrams all the roads in that illustration have give way markings. How many times, joining from a minor road do we see a stream of traffic from our right ignoring their give way signs on the assumption that major road gives them automatic priority. If you have the temerity to enter the roundabout in front of them as they approach their give way signsigns.
I wouldn't deliberately make an unsafe manoeuvre, just because it's not illegal.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 12:25
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PN - yes,I looked that up on - line and saw the change to what you have written,but it would be interesting to know when that advice was first given, obviously at some time since 04/07 which was the publication date for the copy I kept in my glove-box (which,as it happens,also does contain gloves!),but so far,I've been unable to find out when the current advice came into force.Anyhow,this has been duly noted !
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 12:38
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ps,thanks to you too ST,hadn't spotted your reply before posting.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 12:52
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I think the advice has been written that way for quite some time. I've had to keep myself up to date with the Highway Code because I taught all four of my offspring to drive over the last fifteen years or so.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 12:56
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A thought just occurred to me,how often does the average driver read through the Highway Code to keep up to date with recent changes ? I have to confess,the last time I recall doing so,before today, was when I had a draw-bar fitted,and saw fit to ensure I was well aquainted with the rules relating to trailers,and would guess that would be around 6/7 years ago.When I was an ATCO,we had to consult NOTAMS,TOIs etc on a daily basis,but is the HC republished at set intervals ?
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 14:16
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My copy of the Highway Code had whip signals to be given by the drivers of horse-drawn vehicles.
I wonder if those signals are still 'legal'?
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 14:25
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All the drivers hogging the middle and outside lanes of the motorway have clearly never read the book!
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 14:26
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
I wouldn't deliberately make an unsafe manoeuvre, just because it's not illegal.
Of course if everyone drove safely we would have no need for a code. Even on a large roundabout doing a 270, while legal is often unsafe as it confused everyone.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 14:47
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
I suggest you make yourself familiar with article 188 of the Highway Code.
It says that U turns on mini-roundabouts are to be avoided, for exactly the reason you have experienced.
For all the good they do, I would suggest to road planners that mini-roundabouts should be avoided. In most cases they are totally pointless, if they are flat enough often ignored, and probably are the cause of as many accidents as they were installed to reduce.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 14:57
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Happened to catch the 'Agrieved' party on This Morning the inference was the Duke was at fault. Last year did said same TV company get the Agrieved party in ftom the Ant Crash? No? Wonder why. Looking after their own?

To Me Ant McPartlin Drink Drive crash was a lot worse than The Dukes
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 15:03
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
For all the good they do, I would suggest to road planners that mini-roundabouts should be avoided. In most cases they are totally pointless, if they are flat enough often ignored, and probably are the cause of as many accidents as they were installed to reduce.
I agree. Some of them in our nearest town are really too small in diameter for vehicles to safely steer around the centre spot, as required by the rules. I think they are a legacy of a highways bandwagon that local councils felt obliged to jump on in years gone by. Almost everyone (!) understands who has priority at a junction, not enough understand a mini-roundabout.

There's really no excuse not to keep oneself updated with the Highway Code. It's available free, online:
https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/
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