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Prince Phillip involved in road accident

Old 21st Jan 2019, 06:47
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Steve Bell's interpretation of matters.......

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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:00
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I suspect this is why motorcycles sold in Oz have reverted from the hard wired headlights of the 90's back to switchable lights.
It is compulsory in New Zealand now to have motor cycle headlights on at all times, 24/7. But how do you know when it fails ? Easy at night, but not in the day. I was stopped by the Plod when my light failed, fortunately I have stuck a large Dymo label on my Speedo, which just says Headlight. Fortunately the Plod saw that my switch was in the On position and believed me. 'course, I could drive with it on main beam, and see the little blue warning light, but oncoming drivers object, I know, I've tried it and ..... if he bulb fails, would the blue warning light also go out, or is it a different circuit connected only with the switch position, having no bearing on the current actually passing through the bulb, or not?
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:19
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It seems pretty clear they have a problem with him. He probably feels that he has done nothing wrong and certainly doesn't need to apologise. Ultimately this will turn nasty but probably internally. I think he's lost it.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:20
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I always look at the wheels of the vehicle waiting to move out in front of me when I'm travelling down a main street. If they start to rotate it gives me a better visual clue than watching for the car to move. Making eye contact with the driver helps too.
You might add 'because indicators are almost useless '.

A car turning away or crossing will not be showing indicators. Even a car indicating a turn is no guarantee that it will turn. Even more so seeing a driver start to indicate does not guarantee he won't change his mind.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:24
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Stop knocking "older" drivers. Maybe P.P. made a mistake ? Don't younger drivers ever do that ?
Sure Prince Philip made a mistake which, thankfully, wasn't a fatal one. And definitely young drivers, through bravado and poor judgement make many more such "mistakes". The difference is that in elderly people it's not reckless driving, it's simply down to poor reactions, and poor health that often isn't picked up through the self certification method of regulation.

Personally, as I said previously I would put all older drivers through a regular eye sight, reaction and physical driving test. But also, I would make sure that young would be drivers are given psychological tests to establish their maturity and attitude were adequate to be put behind the wheel of an unguided missile - that and raise the age of driving from 17 to 21.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:24
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Mine has indicators in the door mirrors.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:25
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
It seems pretty clear they have a problem with him. He probably feels that he has done nothing wrong and certainly doesn't need to apologise. Ultimately this will turn nasty but probably internally. I think he's lost it.
How can he apologise? To do so infers fault and / or guilt and all insurance companies say that you should never admit liability.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:33
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Mine has indicators in the door mirrors.
Which is irrelevant for the reasons stated previously.

I am not sure who actually observes door mirrors. For a car approaching or one lane changing I am pretty sure it is the main lights I observe. Possibly as a pedestrian I notice the door mirrors - just asking.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:46
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I dont understand how you can drive around in modern vehicles without using a seatbelt. Mine starts beeping if the seat belt is not clicked in
On many vehicles the chime can be hacked and disabled. This link refers to Land Rovers... It's very handy at times not to have a chime going off. Eg on a farm. Maybe he was inspecting his estate.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 07:51
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
..........Personally, as I said previously I would put all older drivers through a regular eye sight, reaction and physical driving test. .........
Do ya reckon he EVER sat a test??
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 08:08
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An awful lot of picking on a 97 year old man.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 08:26
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
An awful lot of picking on a 97 year old man.
Nope

Just a few chickens, or pheasants / grouse. take yer pick here . coming home to roost actually.

Over the years, he's never been averse to those little " quips and jests", safe in the knowledge no matter who he offends, nobody will dare complain to his face That, and he's long since lived the insular and cosmetic life of that era of the family so reality isn't, or wasn't until things went "crunch ! " going to permeate his life.

This in stark contrast to William and Harry who are, thankfully, far more contemporary in their life experiences and lifestyles and thus aware of reality.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 08:27
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ORAC: Well said!
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I seem to have missed the bit where the investigation concluded who was at fault
Don't be daft man! This is Jet Blast, site of the world's fastest "Try by internet, and immediately find guilty".
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 08:28
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Looks like Emma Fairweather is trying to get as much cash out of this as she can, newspapers must have already chipped her a few quid.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 09:48
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Over the years, he's never been averse to those little " quips and jests", safe in the knowledge no matter who he offends, nobody will dare complain to his face That, and he's long since lived the insular and cosmetic life of that era of the family so reality isn't, or wasn't until things went "crunch ! " going to permeate his life.
Took you a while but, erm, cough, you got there.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 10:30
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How can he apologise? To do so infers fault and / or guilt and all insurance companies say that you should never admit liability.
Like most large organisations, the fleet of cars in use by the royal family are bonded, self insured vehicles and in this case, it's so obvious what has happened, the old duffer should just do the decent thing.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 10:38
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For around five years, my daily commute involved crossing a junction with an A road that was, in some ways, similar to the one where this accident occurred. The A road was pretty straight, but with limited visibility either side from the joining B roads, largely because of the daft placement of road signs along with dips in the A road to either side of the junction. Vehicles would often travel on the A road at speed, probably not exceeding the 60 mph limit, but fast enough that they often couldn't be spotted until they were almost at the junction. Vehicles approaching from the B roads also suffered from restricted visibility from the low angle sun around this time of the year (for those interested it's the junction of the A360 with Camp Hill and The Avenue, to the north east of Wilton - you can check out the accident history on https://www.crashmap.co.uk).

Crossing that junction always involves a leap of faith, as often there is no way to be 100% certain that it is safe to cross. I've seen the aftermath of a few accidents there, and a lot of them don't seem to get reported on crashmap, all they leave behind are bent road signs. My wife refuses to use that junction, and takes a detour of a couple of miles to avoid it. I tend to just accept the risk, keep as good a lookout as I can, and minimise the time exposed to danger by crossing as quickly and safely as possible, but as I get older I'm coming around to the view that it's probably safer to just avoid accident black spots like this, if possible.

Looking at the A149 close to where Prince Phillip had his accident, crashmap shows there have been several accidents along that stretch of road, which is presumably why there was already a plan to reduce the speed limit to 50 mph. Not sure that reducing the speed limit would prevent this sort of accident, though. It all comes down to whether his decision to pull out, despite not having a clear view because of the effect of the low angle sun, was careless or not. Arguably it was careless, but then I'm pretty sure that the same argument could be made for anyone trying to cross the junction I mentioned above at some times of the day and year.

Do we just stop using certain roads when visibility is reduced, or do we accept that there is an increased risk, use more caution, but carry on anyway? Not an easy one to answer, IMHO.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 10:51
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 11:48
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At some junctions. as has been mentioned, it is physically impossible to see traffic approaching until it is very close. I'll usually avoid these junctions if I can, or if not take extra precautions like putting the windows down and turning off the radio so I can maybe hear approaching traffic before they come into view. These locations can sometimes be safer at night as you can see the headlight beams.
Some of my colleagues use a junction they call the "Eyes Shut Crossroads".....
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 12:03
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The Land Rover Defender`s kerb weight is 2020kg. I don`t know the model and type of the Kia, but I`d guess it would be near enough half that of the Defender`s. For it to have knocked the heavier vehicle on its side it would need to have been travelling at +50 mph at the time of the collision and being much lower, the initial impact point would have been on the lower chassis of the Defender, causing it to lift and tip onto its side.
On Youtube there are many hundreds of videos featuring bad driving and crashes, especially on Russian roads. Something which I noticed is that it is remarkably easy for a car to turn over, even from low speeds, either from being hit in the right place or sliding into a kerb or similar at just the right angle. It surprised me. It is my view that a car turning over tells us very little about speed.
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