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Prince Phillip involved in road accident

Old 20th Jan 2019, 15:53
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
The piece I read on the seat belt thing this morning said the police spoke to the Duke after someone photographed him "on the Sandringham estate". If correct, then surely there is no need for police involvement?
From what I have seen so far, I have been assuming he pulled out of a side road and onto the A road and, presumably, into the path of the oncoming car. It also seems that this particular stretch of road is prone to speed related accidents, hence the council's movement to reduce the speed limit along that stretch. If so, one has to wonder what sort of speed the Kia was making in order to cause a Land Rover to roll at least a full 180. And what on earth eyesight has to do with it puzzles me. I have been short sighted since, presumably, for ever. Being short sighted doesn't stop you from seeing anything but what it does do is to distort one's idea of distance. I hadn't realised this until taking part in school sports. I was never able to quite manage the high jump. Years later it was explained to me that this was because I was taking off too soon as a result of the duff distance perception.
The photos of Phil without a seatbelt were from a public road near the estate - hence the Police intervention.

The speed limit on the road where the crash happened was 60mph at the time of the accident. Maybe the Kia was doing a legal 59mph when the 97 year old (who said he was "dazzled by the sun") pulled out into the road.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 15:58
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Originally Posted by PJD1 View Post
Above the age of 40 most people will begin to exhibit presbyopia which will make it more difficult to focus on things close up and will probably eventually result in them needing reading glasses. If someone has good distance vision then it is perfectly possible that this might remain the case into old age and they will not need glasses for driving.
Thing is he has previously been photographed wearing glasses while driving - either he needs them or he doesn't and on the previous occasion he had forgotten to take his reading glasses off. Here's a photo from last September...

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Old 20th Jan 2019, 16:23
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AIUI, traffic laws apply to highways where 'the public has access', which includes seatbelts and spectacles if required.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 19:14
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Sure there must be blame on both party's,The Range Rover for pulling out when dazzled and there fore not sure it was clear and the Kia for not driving being aware that some clot in a Big Black Car MAY pull out into my path
Assuming no Drink and Drugs or any other crime this will be come a no action by the Police and let the insurance company's sort the repairs
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 19:21
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Originally Posted by Kiltrash View Post
Sure there must be blame on both party's,The Range Rover for pulling out when dazzled and there fore not sure it was clear and the Kia for not driving being aware that some clot in a Big Black Car MAY pull out into my path
Assuming no Drink and Drugs or any other crime this will be come a no action by the Police and let the insurance company's sort the repairs
i assume that English isn't your first language. So what you are saying then is this: Every time you pass a side road with a car waiting to exit to join or cross you slow to a point where should he make that choice no harm will result? That was the law at one point and some people drive from London to Brighton every November to celebrate it's repeal.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 19:42
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
i assume that English isn't your first language. So what you are saying then is this: Every time you pass a side road with a car waiting to exit to join or cross you slow to a point where should he make that choice no harm will result?
Motorcyclists have to do that.

If they're bothered about staying alive, that is, rather than wrapping themselves over the bonnet of a SMIDSY.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 19:43
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Originally Posted by stagger View Post
The photos of Phil without a seatbelt were from a public road near the estate - hence the Police intervention.

The speed limit on the road where the crash happened was 60mph at the time of the accident. Maybe the Kia was doing a legal 59mph when the 97 year old (who said he was "dazzled by the sun") pulled out into the road.
The Land Rover Defender`s kerb weight is 2020kg. I don`t know the model and type of the Kia, but I`d guess it would be near enough half that of the Defender`s. For it to have knocked the heavier vehicle on its side it would need to have been travelling at +50 mph at the time of the collision and being much lower, the initial impact point would have been on the lower chassis of the Defender, causing it to lift and tip onto its side. It really is most fortunate that all walked with minor cuts and bruises after an accident that had potentially fatal consequences. Had it been that instead of a small vehicle, a lorry or another Defender involved, instead of a Royal cock up there would have been a Royal funeral.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 19:53
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Originally Posted by Chronus View Post
It really is most fortunate that all walked with minor cuts and bruises
"Broken wrist" I read, which is not quite "minor cuts and bruises". Depending on exactly what it was, you might well get the operation on the NHS, but if you want enough physio to return to full use as previously you're looking at paying for it yourself. And it takes a year or so. Potentially quite a bit deal actually.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 20:38
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I believe it was a Range Rover and allegedly armoured.

As for a car emerging or appearing from a side road I always assume it will pull out. As I said earlier, an extraordinary number of drivers will be looking left as I approach from the right.

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Old 20th Jan 2019, 21:07
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Strange that our local traffic police say different. I'll have to tell them tesco says they are wrong. Another of your many talents.
Sallyann ....Not tesco's fault, ask two people and get three answers. Always the case, can't believe anything these days.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 21:21
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Motorcyclists have to do that.

If they're bothered about staying alive, that is, rather than wrapping themselves over the bonnet of a SMIDSY.
No, they don't.

Motorcyclists (and, come to that, cyclists) have to ride with the assumption that everyone else on the road is an idiot who has the potential to kill them.

But self-evidently that doesn't extend to braking to walking speed every time they pass a junction, which is the only way you can guarantee not hitting someone who has pulled out on you at the last moment.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 21:34
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My grandad at 80 didn't need distance glasses for driving.
Why should he ? I don't, at age 84, and ... have just passed the necessary 2 year medical, which includes eyesight, to allow me to drive for another 2 years at least, and ... just undergone a voluntary local A.A. ( driving, not alcohol ) assessment of "older drivers" and was complimented on how I kept my head swivelling - i.e. looking - for possible hazards, maybe still being a pilot ( and yes, that requires a medical too, ) has something to do with that ? The examiner also agreed with me about unnecessary "halting" at "give-way" signs if nothing is coming, with particular reference to entering roundabouts, and said he fails new licence applicants if they do that. Good on'im.

Not sure if I will make 97, but if so I sincerely hope that I am still allowed to drive so long as I meet the necessary physical and mental requirements. Will have to move nearer town if not !

Stop knocking "older" drivers. Maybe P.P. made a mistake ? Don't younger drivers ever do that ?
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 21:57
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As a seasoned motorcyclist I find that riding requires a completely different mindset to driving.

If you're driving and listening to music, singing along, that fine, but if you're riding you have to be completely in the moment with your situational awereness at it's peak. You can't afford to be thinking about anything else but survival.

I realised this after several years off road bikes and getting back onto the road. At first I had a frightful number of near misses because I wasn't totally focussed on the task. You have to have the mindset that you're the Invisible Man and everyone is trying to kill you... Hand on heart every crash i have had was my fault. i figure if I get hit by another vehicle that's my fault too.

I always look at the wheels of the vehicle waiting to move out in front of me when I'm travelling down a main street. If they start to rotate it gives me a better visual clue than watching for the car to move. Making eye contact with the driver helps too.

Finally, further to the lights on during the day discussion, when a small object (like a motorcycle) is backlit by the sun setting or rising, the use of daytime headlights breaks up the silhouette of the machine, making it even harder to spot.
I suspect this is why motorcycles sold in Oz have reverted from the hard wired headlights of the 90's back to switchable lights.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 22:25
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"Broken wrist" I read, which is not quite "minor cuts and bruises". Depending on exactly what it was, you might well get the operation on the NHS, but if you want enough physio to return to full use as previously you're looking at paying for it yourself. And it takes a year or so. Potentially quite a bit deal actually.
Que? I have broken a wrist or two 3 at least times and the treatment has never been different each time; plaster over the wrist and lower forearm for 4 weeks and off you go. One of those occasions was in basic training in the Army and I continued with the training with the plaster still in place.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 23:10
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Originally Posted by Chronus View Post
The Land Rover Defender`s kerb weight is 2020kg. I don`t know the model and type of the Kia, but I`d guess it would be near enough half that of the Defender`s. For it to have knocked the heavier vehicle on its side it would need to have been travelling at +50 mph at the time of the collision and being much lower, the initial impact point would have been on the lower chassis of the Defender, causing it to lift and tip onto its side. It really is most fortunate that all walked with minor cuts and bruises after an accident that had potentially fatal consequences. Had it been that instead of a small vehicle, a lorry or another Defender involved, instead of a Royal cock up there would have been a Royal funeral.
I seem to have missed the bit where the investigation concluded who was at fault
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 23:17
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Strange that our local traffic police say different. I'll have to tell them tesco says they are wrong. Another of your many talents.
hmm have you ever seen the parallel lines of spray paint dots at the scene of a police traffic accident investigation?
Obviously not.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 00:07
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I dont understand how you can drive around in modern vehicles without using a seatbelt. Mine starts beeping if the seat belt is not clicked in, and will continue to do so until rectified. I also dont understand why you would wish to drive around without using it. Surely, common sense should tell you that it's for your own safety, as well as risking a heavy fine, if caught not using it.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 00:19
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I dont understand how you can drive around in modern vehicles without using a seatbelt. Mine starts beeping if the seat belt is not clicked in, and will continue to do so until rectified. I also dont understand why you would wish to drive around without using it. Surely, common sense should tell you that it's for your own safety, as well as risking a heavy fine, if caught not using it.
When you are 97 years old, it is easy when you are hard of hearing and never noticed it. When you are married to the Queen of England, common sense is for commoners, not for Royalty, just saying...
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 05:53
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Making eye contact with the driver helps too.
Absolutely, especially for bicyclists and motor cyclists, abut also not a bad idea for motorists too. Unfortunately, the authorities failed to recognise this when they permitted dark tinted windows, and now they don't seem to even worry about those that are illegally darker than permitted.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 06:44
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Not any longer. The skidmarks are still useful for showing the line of travel, but with the advent of universal ABS they cannot be used to calculate speed.
Another little piece of inaccurate wisdom; of course during the course of a police road traffic accident investigation they just randomly paint parallel dotted lines on the road for shits and giggles...
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