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Old 13th Jan 2019, 00:50
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Canadian Air Traffic Controllers Buy Pizza For American Colleagues Affected By U.S. G

Good Evening All:
In a gesture of solidarity with their American cousins Canadian Air Traffic Controllers have sent pizza's to their counter parts in the U.S.A..
Nice job CATCA

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2019/01/12/canadian-air-traffic-controllers-buy-pizza-for-american-colleagues-affected-by-u-s-government-shutdown_a_23641079/

It's a delicious show of solidarity.

By Sima Shakeri Canadian air traffic controllers are carrying out a simple, but heartfelt gesture for their American counterparts they're buying them dinner amidst the U.S. government shutdown.Air traffic controllers (ATC) in Moncton, N.B. and Gander, Nfld. sent pizza over to controllers manning the stations at the New York Air Traffic Control Center (ZNY), in Ronkonkoma, N.Y., on Friday night in support of their colleagues who are working unpaid as the American government's partial shutdown drags into its fourth week.A photo of a sign hung up in New York Center which said that 32 pizzas had been ordered by the Canadians was posted on Reddit by user PlatinumAero, whose real name is David Lombardo."Many controllers who work for the [Federal Administration Aviation] literally got paychecks that said $0.00, and many are doing overtime, working holidays, nights, weekends, and are in facilities that are already very short-staffed," Lombardo said. "To add the stress of not knowing when they're going to get paid, that has to be tough for many." HuffPost Canada OwnedVancouver air traffic controllers bought lunch for their counterparts in Seattle.Air traffic controllers in Atlantic Canada aren't the only Canadians reaching out to their American counterparts.Montreal Center sent Boston Center pizza, while Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport sent pizza to their counterparts in Burlington, Vt. and LaGuardia, N.Y.Toronto's area centre sent pizza to their colleagues at Cleveland Center, while Vancouver bought pizza for Seattle Center."In many cases these are radar control facilities buying for the neighbouring sector facility," Lombardo said.The outpouring of support isn't ending yet though Lombardo said Winnipeg Tower is sending dinner to Minneapolis−Saint Paul International Airport's tower on Sunday night, and already covered Grand Forks' lunch on Saturday.In many cases these are radar control facilities buying for the neighbouring sector facility.David LombardoAnother Reddit user commented on Lombardo's thread and said they received an email from the Toronto union noting that the pizzas are an initiative taking place at centres across the country."As a gesture of solidarity with our fellow American controllers, we will be sending pizza to the Cleveland Center controllers for dinner. They are in the middle of the government shutdown and as of yesterday did not receive their pay cheques," the email allegedly said. "All the ACC's across the country will be buying pizzas for their adjacent centres."HuffPost Canada has reached out to the Canadian Air Traffic Control Association to confirm.Lombardo, who lives in Long Island, N.Y., told HuffPost Canada the shutdown is pushing some people towards desperate measures like taking out loans, and that people have even messaged his ATC Memes page to ask him to share information on different loan programs.Air traffic controllers haven't been paid for their work the first two weeks of 2019, and many are urging U.S. President Donald Trump to bring an end to the government shutdown."This partial shutdown has already inflicted real damage to our nation's aviation system and the impacts will only worsen over time," a group of aviation organizations including the National Air Traffic Control Association wrote in an open letter sent to government officials.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 02:19
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> who are working unpaid as the American government's partial

US controllers are working unpaid? Surely there are safety issues in that. Are some of them working in their off hours to pay the rent?
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 03:29
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Money would be better spent buying pizza at the southern border to feed the hangry masses whom just caravend across two countries.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 03:30
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How can the US controllers be forced to work for nothing? What would happen if they refused to work?
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 07:15
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US government employees whose position is considered essential are required to report for duty when directed. Employees whose position is deemed non-essential are simply told not to report to work. Both groups of employees have historically been paid retroactively following the resumption of normal operations. (congress have in past shutdowns acted to appropriate the funds in a bill, and past presidents have signed it into law) They'll get paid at some point.

Federal workers are prohibited by law from striking. The last federal labor group that did was summarily fired by President Reagan in 1981 (air traffic controllers) However a lawsuit has already been filed in this instance on the basis that requiring employees to work unpaid is "tantamount to indentured servitude" (unlawful) or words to that effect. Every employee will have to fend for themselves financially until such time as they are paid. For longer serving and higher paid employees, it may be less burdensome than for lesser paid employees who can't make rent or even pay for transportation to work. Absenteeism is on the rise at TSA for these reasons and will only continue to get worse as workers have to find other work in order to eat and to fend off homelessness. (TSA screeners are near-bottom-scale workers)

Meanwhile, contract workers are out of luck in many cases.

The politics of a government shutdown are outside the control of federal workers, but they are indeed the ones who must live with the consequences while the politicos eat steak.

It's a nice gesture on the part of the Canadian controllers. Some of the pilot unions are acting along similar lines as well.

I hope this thing gets settled before irreparable damage is done.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 08:00
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This has made the USA the laughing stock of the modern world. Even the Zimbabwians are laughing, even they can muddle through hyper inflation without shutting down the government.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 12:42
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Nice gesture!
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 14:37
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Land of the free.

Free to work for no pay.

But at least bakers are allowed to refuse service to people they don't like.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 16:34
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Nothing New Here

Trump has a long record of stiffing tradesmen.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 16:35
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Ok remember that in this mess, at least the controllers themselves will get paid when the shutdown will be over. This however is not the case of the 1000s of contractors and support staff which are forced to stay at home locked out .In addition he work they were supposed to do is gone , training included, and those who can go out ( illegible to retire) are going to do so and not come back . To restore all this back to what it was before going to take months if not a year. Taking any group of people which have nothing to do with the issue at hand hostage for political gain will also leave some durable marks in the minds.
Trump looks more and more like Nero in Rome , marking the demise of an empire ..
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 18:20
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A reality check is needed. There have been 18 shutdowns in the last 30 years and 3 during this administration. This is the US, not the EU, and budgets have to be agreed by congress and potus otherwise a shutdown is automatic. The issue here is that we have a standoff. It will effect the economy and causes real harm to many on low pay but it will be back to normal quickly when the two sides stop prevaricating.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 19:30
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Most trade unions provide emergency income support during strikes and other situations when the employer ceases to pay for the union member's labour. The U.S. air traffic controller's union is suing the U.S. federal government for unpaid work. FYI Most U.S. air traffic controllers working in ATC centers earn in excess of 100,000 USD annually.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 20:07
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Originally Posted by homonculus View Post
A reality check is needed. There have been 18 shutdowns in the last 30 years and 3 during this administration. This is the US, not the EU, and budgets have to be agreed by congress and potus otherwise a shutdown is automatic. The issue here is that we have a standoff. It will effect the economy and causes real harm to many on low pay but it will be back to normal quickly when the two sides stop prevaricating.
I've survived all of them - this is nothing new. Gov't personnel will be paid retroactively once this is over. Because of a law passed last year DHS, Agriculture, Commerce, Justice, Interior, State, Transportation, and Housing & Urban Development are impacted (the Federal Register lists 440 federal agencies), not the entire gov't. And the argument isn't about money ($5 Billion out of a $4 Trillion budget). It isn't even about politics anymore. It's about DC power.
The Senate in 2013 voted to pass an immigration reform bill (S.744 - sponsor Schumer) including a minimum 700 miles of southern border fencing allocating"
"(iv) $8,000,000,000 shall be made available to the Secretary, during the 5-year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act, to procure and deploy fencing, infrastructure, and technology in accordance with the Southern Border Fencing Strategy established pursuant to section 5(b), not less than $7,500,000,000 of which shall be used to deploy, repair, or replace fencing;"

https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-...3-2ec15c2dbaa5
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 08:12
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This thread is turning into a political discussion for or against a man that wants a wall, , where the issue is in fact about taking professionals hostage for getting leverage to the opposition party.
Instead of taking ATC controllers hostage, take the congressmen and Senators hostage instead. Have their pay frozen and then you might expedite the discussions and find a compromise, But the country ATC or national parks ? ...
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 15:52
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US government employees whose position is considered essential are required to report for duty when directed. Employees whose position is deemed non-essential are simply told not to report to work. Both groups of employees have historically been paid retroactively following the resumption of normal operations. (congress have in past shutdowns acted to appropriate the funds in a bill, and past presidents have signed it into law) They'll get paid at some point.
BUT........ don't forget that the Federal Govt is not paying their employees' health insurance premiums either - which means that unless employees pony up the premiums themselves during the shutdown, coverage may well be declined to those affected.

How ironic that Trump's shutdown is becoming more and more like the Soviet joke... "The State pretends to pay us - and we pretend to work!"
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 07:35
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Regardless of one's political opinions, the fact remains that federal workers work under the rules of the federal government applicable to federal workers. Nobody is saying those rules are fair to the workers, or to the taxpayers for that matter. But they are THE RULES. As such, persons in a position deemed "essential" must report to work when directed. Not doing so has consequences that allot of workers would like to avoid.

With that said, a hearing was scheduled for Jan 15 to consider an injunction in the matter as the result of a lawsuit filed against the federal government by treasury worker and air traffic controller unions. Citing the snow storm in DC, the hearing has been rescheduled for Tuesday. The suit alleges that requiring workers to work unpaid is contrary to the 5th and 13th amendments to the US constitution. Maybe some news on that later?

Meanwhile it is indeed a hardship for many of the federal workers going unpaid. Some of them may have some money set aside while others may not. I know of one controller who is approaching retirement and has significant savings. He knows others who are two weeks from financial distress. The pizza and well wishes from the Canadian controllers and others are truly appreciated by he and his colleagues because they are reflective of a common bond between those who serve the public. (his words, not mine)

I really do wish them the best and hope the standoff between warring political factions can be settled or they can find a way to resolve their differences without continuing to adversely affect the lives of some of our most "essential" public servants in the process. Or maybe the court will do it for them.
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 09:39
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So what if I live hand to mouth and literally cannot afford to put the gas in my car to get to work?
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 13:27
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Originally Posted by evansb View Post
Most trade unions provide emergency income support during strikes and other situations when the employer ceases to pay for the union member's labour. The U.S. air traffic controller's union is suing the U.S. federal government for unpaid work. FYI Most U.S. air traffic controllers working in ATC centers earn in excess of 100,000 USD annually.
Yes, agreed. But the TSA workers, who are affected in exactly the same way, earn considerably less than that. Most are still reporting to work. There has been a lot of coverage about airports where the security lines are considerably longer than usual due to staff shortages. (ATL made the news just this morning.) Most of those who are not showing up are not staging some kind of unofficial industrial action, they are doing it either because they cannot afford to get to work (a lot of people are living pay cheque to pay cheque) or because they have been forced to take other jobs in order to feed their families. And yes, as someone else pointed out, their health insurance is not being paid by their employer. My daughter has a part time job at one of the airside food services at PIT. She would regularly bring home a whole bunch of food that was fresh, but because the shift was ending it was going to be thrown out. She no longer brings it home, but gives it to the security workers on her way out of the airport. To say they are grateful would be an understatement!
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 22:52
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Originally Posted by a330pilotcanada View Post
...Canadian Air Traffic Controllers have sent pizza's to their counter parts in the U.S.A..

Seventeen responses and someone has yet to ask 'the pizza's... what?'.

This place is slipping.
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Old 16th Jan 2019, 08:12
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Well the court hearing was held on Jan 15 and the federal judge declined to issue a restraining order to prevent the government from requiring workers to work without being paid. For those interested, there are several articles published on the interwebz which provide much more detail.

Obviously it's those with little or no reserve fund who will be most affected soonest. But if this drags on for very long, it's a steep and slippery slope.

Piizzas and kind words are helpful and nice. Getting this thing settled soon would be nicer.
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