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Old 16th Jan 2019, 12:08
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Seventeen responses and someone has yet to ask 'the pizza's... what?'.
Whoop whoop
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 04:11
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Well the court hearing was held on Jan 15 and the federal judge declined to issue a restraining order to prevent the government from requiring workers to work without being paid.
Out of interest, is the Federal judge being paid?
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 05:03
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Out of interest, is the Federal judge being paid?
Until January 25. Then the courts run out of money.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 06:17
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Today the Prez signed the back-pay authorization bill that congress overwhelmingly approved . Unfortunately for those affected, the money won't be paid until it is appropriated as part of the bill that re-authorizes the operation of the affected departments. IOW, not until after the shutdown is over.

Meanwhile the cascading effects will become more apparent with each passing day. The warring parties oughta be locked in the Capitol building with nothing but MREs and water until they strike a deal.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 21:52
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Originally Posted by westhawk View Post

The warring parties oughta be locked in the Capitol building with nothing but MREs and water until they strike a deal.
Great idea!
Iirc, there is established tradition justifying such a move. It is applied when Cardinals take too long to elect a new Pope. Penalizing the elected officials for not doing their job should be the norm, rather than an unprecedented innovation.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 22:32
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Great idea!
Iirc, there is established tradition justifying such a move. It is applied when Cardinals take too long to elect a new Pope. Penalizing the elected officials for not doing their job should be the norm, rather than an unprecedented innovation.
Thanks, even though it's just fantasy. If one person had the power to make that happen...

If it were an airplane, I could recover it to normal flight. Unfortunately politics follow a different set of rules than aeronautics. Humans are a mystery.

Well I just hope. Whatever good that does.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 23:34
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Icing on the cake side issue

Navcant says:
But at least bakers are allowed to refuse service to people they don't like.
After expensive litigation - you can't refuse to sell a cake to a gay. But you can refuse to write 'support gay marriage' in icing. Even bakers are allowed editorial policy.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 00:19
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Good Evening Mods:
The purpose of me posting this thread was to commend the Canadian Air Traffic Controllers Association (CATCA) on their generous out reach to their colleagues in the USA.
Sadly comments about the "Orange Cowbell" have made this posting irrelevant and if you agree please delete my post or move it to jet blast where the comments are less aviation related.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 01:09
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I would suggest that forcing air traffic controllers to work unpaid in a supposed first world country is very aviation related.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 07:14
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Originally Posted by a330pilotcanada View Post
Good Evening Mods:
The purpose of me posting this thread was to commend the Canadian Air Traffic Controllers Association (CATCA) on their generous out reach to their colleagues in the USA.
Sadly comments about the "Orange Cowbell" have made this posting irrelevant and if you agree please delete my post or move it to jet blast where the comments are less aviation related.
Thank you
And I think that was appreciated by most who read your post. Thanks for posting it.

It's also inevitable that on a forum such as this one, the underlying issue that created the situation which inspired the nice gesture by the Canadians would become a part of the conversation. I'm not sure what the best forum to post such a story on would have been. Seems like R&N might have been appropriate, but maybe not. In any event it's here in JB now, so the political drivel scrum is on!

It's still a nice story. But the sad and ongoing story of the underlying events that brought it about is a pretty compelling subject in itself. Not really any separating them it seems. Unfortunately anything with a political side to it seems destined to devolve into an adolescent slagging fest these days. The subject does rate more thoughtful commentary than that.

Thanks again for starting the thread!
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 07:42
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Now that it is moved to JB we can talk more freely : As seen from the outside ( I am not a US controller, but I have been around a while )and talking to some of my colleagues in the US and reading their comments on their forums and on FB, this has to potential to end badly.
It is not as much the money issue ( looks like most have some savings that can last a month or 2 but not much more ) some have to return the car, or cancels planned trips, but will survive. What is far more worrying is the furloughed non essential FAA staff that is maintaining the system, provides training , paperwork , incident investigation, etc.. which is not there , and the longer it goes , not sure how many will come back. The longer this thing last the fewer will come back.
I would also seem that the number of people , including controllers , which are illegible to retirement but stayed on the compensate for the current staff shortage is large, and if even a part is claiming now an will not come back , the system will be affected for years to come .
Now if by bad luck, an incident or worse comes as a result of this mess and the blaming game starts on Fox and CNN , you have the potential of another large number of people just walking out in protest, and how many will actually come back to man the future system is a wild guess.

This reminds me a bit of the post PATCO strike in 1981. There also people played with fire on both sides and it took 25 years to absorb and resolve the mess. Some even argue that now, nearly 40 years later the effect of the PATCO strike can still be felt inside the FAA. .
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 10:04
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The other occasions I know where meals were bought for ATC was China. My old company used to take them out for a Gala dinner regularly.

It saved a fortune in fuel being routed direct!
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 18:10
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Originally Posted by Derfred View Post
I would suggest that forcing air traffic controllers to work unpaid in a supposed first world country is very aviation related.
"Forcing" people "to work unpaid" is called "slavery". Dunno about the USA, but in the UK we abolished that some time ago.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 21:02
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As the Secret Service agents aren't being paid either Trump should be worried about his own health & safety.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 21:11
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As the Secret Service agents aren't being paid either Trump should be worried about his own health & safety.
Looks like an opportunity for Putin, doesn't it - he likes spreading money around to destabilise the west, and some of those secret service agents must be getting desperate for cash to feed their children.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 21:15
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it will be back to normal quickly when the two sides stop prevaricating
Oh goody. You mean this new tactic toy won't be used again to the detriment of the common people?
and then again.....and....

Sorry...politics. Who doesn't like a luke warm. slightly greasy slice of decorated flatbread?
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 21:48
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Back in the 1990s when there was a shut down, we were dealing with various engineering people from the NTIA and the FCC. The shut down lasted long enough that several of them resigned and went to work for industry. When the government resumed, their knowledge and expertise was lost to the agencies and there was no hand over period to the people taking over and the expertise was in several cases used against their former employers....

Plus it looks likely that the damage to the US economy will be much greater than the cost of the blasted fence....

It does make one wonder if a US Politician has a requirement for a maximum 'not-to-be' exceeded IQ....
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