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Large container ship loses 250 containers. How?

Old 5th Jan 2019, 14:08
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It has been brought to my attention that one needs to be careful these days in ascrbing gender to ships. In English we have historicalky used "she" when referring to a vessel plying the briny seas . Yet these days some might find that presumptuous...after all, did the ship self-identify as a "she?"

What if the vessel feels differently on other days and wishes to gender identify under a different pronoun?

You can see the problems that arise. Should one then resort to a gender neutral appellation until the vessel makes known under which gender it is flying on that day?
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Old 5th Jan 2019, 15:34
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Originally Posted by visibility3miles View Post
Speaking of ocean going vessels, there's a lot of flotsam that might turn others into jetsam...


https://www.news.com.au/national/sou...a8772522d5b8ee
Abbys underland? I thought Abbys underwater.
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 11:49
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Instead of "It fell off the back of a lorry", the new excuse for being found in possession of stolen property will be "It washed up ashore from a container ship".
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 14:27
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We had a trailer full of Pioneer stereo components fall on its side on the main deck, no visible damage to any of the boxes, but sadly everything was destroyed, ordered by the insurance company.
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 14:33
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We had a trailer full of Pioneer stereo components fall on its side on the main deck, no visible damage to any of the boxes, but sadly everything was destroyed, ordered by the insurance company.
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Apart from the risk that problems might manifest themselves in the future, Pioneer would get paid as if they had sold the items.
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Old 7th Jan 2019, 22:45
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.......but sadly everything was destroyed, ordered by the insurance company.
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Yeah. Right.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 11:56
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner View Post
We had a trailer full of Pioneer stereo components fall on its side on the main deck, no visible damage to any of the boxes, but sadly everything was destroyed, ordered by the insurance company.
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I remember a particularly lumpy crossong from Dover to Zebrugge and during the crossing, a curtain sided trailer burst open depositing 10,000 bottles of newcastle Brown Ale across the car deck. The crew mounted a valiant salvage operation which ensured that there was at least a few survivors.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 12:11
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Yeah. Right.
At least every single item was accounted for and left the ship, what happened next I wouldn't know.
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Old 8th Jan 2019, 19:13
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Nice video, Fareastdriver! Thanks!

I see why some ships snap in half now!
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 14:49
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I had heard of at least one instance where the typical South Florida, Open Fisherman/Center console private fishing boat enroute from FL to the Bahamas ripped off the lower units of the outboard engines after hitting a shipping container submerged just below the surface.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 15:07
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Ancient Mariner should know.

I was told that container ships HAD to have containers, full or empty, on board up to main deck level to guarantee the structural integrity of the hull. It could not sail empty because the hull, by itself, was not strong enough to take the loads.

True or False?
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 15:16
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Ancient Mariner should know.

I was told that container ships HAD to have containers, full or empty, on board up to main deck level to guarantee the structural integrity of the hull. It could not sail empty because the hull, by itself, was not strong enough to take the loads.

True or False?
Sorry, no idea. Never served on container ships, closest were RoRos. My job was to provide electricity, propulsion and all the rest that made deck monkeys shine. You better ask them. 😉
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 18:11
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I was told that container ships HAD to have containers, full or empty, on board up to main deck level to guarantee the structural integrity of the hull. It could not sail empty because the hull, by itself, was not strong enough to take the loads.

True or False?
Probably true - in the same way that cargo ships usually require some form of ballast - but I'm happy to be corrected.

BTW - I understand that one of the most stable types of ships in a storm is a loaded supertanker.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 20:58
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Depends on the ship design, so both a true and false statement. Majority can get away with just taking on ballast water, though.

Our vessel, an offshore specialist vessel, would've snapped in half if we deballasted completely
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Old 10th Jan 2019, 02:48
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Ancient Mariner should know.

I was told that container ships HAD to have containers, full or empty, on board up to main deck level to guarantee the structural integrity of the hull. It could not sail empty because the hull, by itself, was not strong enough to take the loads.

True or False?
Could be - or could be true in early ship designs. Take a look at the photograph here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stowag..._retouched.jpg

It shows the hold structure (which looks pretty well cross-braced all by itself), but also that this ship seems to have "dummy containers" stepped right into the structure (bottom).
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Old 12th Jan 2019, 21:38
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Ancient Mariner should know.

I was told that container ships HAD to have containers, full or empty, on board up to main deck level to guarantee the structural integrity of the hull. It could not sail empty because the hull, by itself, was not strong enough to take the loads.

True or False?
FALSE but with my fingers crossed behind my back just in case! I at least never heard of that during a lifetime in the shipping industry. That's what ballast tanks are for.

Edit: Pattern_is_full, that Wikipedia photo must be pretty old. A geared container vessel with stacks for distribution of controlled temp/humidity air to what were known as ConAir reefer containers. They were common on the Europe - South America, ANZ and SAfrican trades but I'm sure they were phased out by the early nineties or before. The "dummy containers" in the photo would, I think, be steps to follow the hull lines.

Last edited by broadreach; 12th Jan 2019 at 21:47. Reason: After looking at P_i_f link.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 02:56
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I was told that container ships HAD to have containers, full or empty, on board up to main deck level to guarantee the structural integrity of the hull
The link provided says,
  • Below the uppermost deck, the containers are restrained against lateral or longitudinal motion by cell guides. These are basically angle sections that also help as guides for containers when they are loaded onto the ship. However, these do not form a part of the primary structure, that is, they do not take up the hull stresses.
  • Above the uppermost deck, containers are stowed and their motion is restriected by means of lashings. Twist locks fitted between the containers prevent vertical motion, and lashing prevent the longitudinal and transverse motions. The lashings are usually deployed from lashing bridges that are at height intervals of one or two tiers of containers. The lashing rods are secured at their ends by turnbuckles which maintain the tension in the lashings.
    Containers carrying stresses gets no mention in hull design requirements.

    https://rules.dnvgl.com/docs/pdf/DNV...7-01/ts301.pdf

    Roll of ballast

    https://rules.dnvgl.com/docs/pdf/DNV...7-01/ts301.pdf
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    Old 13th Jan 2019, 23:39
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    Originally Posted by broadreach View Post
    Edit: Pattern_is_full, that Wikipedia photo must be pretty old. A geared container vessel with stacks for distribution of controlled temp/humidity air to what were known as ConAir reefer containers. They were common on the Europe - South America, ANZ and SAfrican trades but I'm sure they were phased out by the early nineties or before. The "dummy containers" in the photo would, I think, be steps to follow the hull lines.
    Roger that...
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