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Old 10th Jan 2019, 01:37
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All of the above presumes that, even following exposure to improved education, Muslims will not also abandon their religion.
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A good example of an real asylum seeker is Asia Bibi, a Christian in Pakistan who has been on death row for blasphemy. Now released and in hiding in fear of her life, vicars daugher May won't let her in the UK for fear of . unrest” in the UK and attacks on embassies, In other words, fear of upsetting Muslims.
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The Pew Research Center`s November 2017 report on migration and growth of Muslim population in Europe would appear to be the latest comprehensive study of this issue. Here are a few extracts from the report.

Muslims are projected to increase as a share of Europe’s population – even with no future migration

In recent years, Europe has experienced a record influx of asylum seekers fleeing conflicts in Syria and other predominantly Muslim countries. This wave of Muslim migrants has prompted debate about immigration and security policies in numerous countries and has raised questions about the current and future number of Muslims in Europe.




Could there be any doubt over cause for real concern. Perhaps none for those whose level of humanity has conquered the highest peaks of their intellectual maturity to believe Utopia has no borders.

The report may be accessed at :

Muslim Population Growth in Europe
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Originally Posted by rusty sparrow View Post
A good example of an real asylum seeker is Asia Bibi, a Christian in Pakistan who has been on death row for blasphemy. Now released and in hiding in fear of her life, vicars daugher May won't let her in the UK for fear of . unrest” in the UK and attacks on embassies, In other words, fear of upsetting Muslims.
Perhaps also for fear of driving us and our children away from shopping centers and malls to churches on Sundays and avoiding a slump in their profits and a crash in the stock market not just in London, but also in China.
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Old 10th Jan 2019, 19:53
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Could there be any doubt over cause for real concern. Perhaps none for those whose level of humanity has conquered the highest peaks of their intellectual maturity to believe Utopia has no borders.

The report may be accessed at :

Muslim Population Growth in Europe
As is often the case with such research, the background of the organisation involved, Pew, and in particular one of its funders, the Templeton Foundation, makes interesting reading.
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A good example of an real asylum seeker is Asia Bibi, a Christian in Pakistan who has been on death row for blasphemy. Now released and in hiding in fear of her life, vicars daugher May won't let her in the UK for fear of . unrest” in the UK and attacks on embassies, In other words, fear of upsetting Muslims.
Quite so... it is beyond appalling to see how our Politicians pander to minorities rather than have some fortitude and do the right thing. Asia is a perfect example of somebody who we should be welcoming and supporting. However something else that is under-reported is the savage sexual abuse/rapes/violence against Christians in the refugee camps. Naturally reporting this isn't conducive to public order...
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Originally Posted by rusty sparrow View Post
A good example of an real asylum seeker is Asia Bibi, a Christian in Pakistan who has been on death row for blasphemy. Now released and in hiding in fear of her life, vicars daugher May won't let her in the UK for fear of . unrest” in the UK and attacks on embassies, In other words, fear of upsetting Muslims.
Acknowledging that Pakistan is a horrendously backward little country - what are Bibi's links to the UK to warrant criticism of us not taking her? I would have no objection to it, but what renders any other European country as inappropriate?

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Acknowledging that Pakistan is a horrendously backward little country - what are Bibi's links to the UK to warrant criticism of us not taking her? I would have no objection to it, but what renders any other European country as inappropriate?
It is not a question of what renders any other European country as inappropriate. It is a question of why the choice is the UK and the overwhelming reason for that is that unique special quality of the true Brit, a very strong sense of fairness, justice and tolerance. Some admire it, others envy it and some consider it a weakness and take advantage of it and some resent it. The big question is, it is worth preserving and if so how.
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It is not a question of what renders any other European country as inappropriate. It is a question of why the choice is the UK and the overwhelming reason for that is that unique special quality of the true Brit, a very strong sense of fairness, justice and tolerance.
That, and the fact that the UK is home to at least ten times as many people of Pakistani extraction than any other European country is.
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Acknowledging that Pakistan is a horrendously backward little country - what are Bibi's links to the UK to warrant criticism of us not taking her?
Well, there's the little matter of colonial history, as it could be suggested that anything that's wrong with Pakistan is "our fault" (this is "clearly" true a fortiori, as the entire existence of Pakistan is "our fault").
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That, and the fact that the UK is home to at least ten times as many people of Pakistani extraction than any other European country is.
Yes, perfectly true. But why did they or their parents came to settle here in the UK. Were they asylum seekers. Evidently does not appear to be the case, they seem to have taken all that they were escaping from with them, reassembled and remodelled it over here. An asylum seeker is surely running away from tyranny, oppression, prejudice, fear for life. If that was not the case, then why did all these people up sticked and left their homes. Could it be that games like cricket and polo are so much more fun on green turf rather than hard brown dirt. Cannot think of any better reasons really, can you.
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Well, there's the little matter of colonial history, as it could be suggested that anything that's wrong with Pakistan is "our fault" (this is "clearly" true a fortiori, as the entire existence of Pakistan is "our fault").
Every single former colony in Africa has higher GDP (and every other decent stat) than the others... so it works both ways. The fact is after colonial rule these countries had a framework to build upon, many did, yes they have their faults but they still top all the right charts vs. the rest... we had nothing to do with the present situation Pakistan is in, indeed look at the former colonial neighbour (India)... India has a lot of faults... but its well ahead of Pakistan in virtually every metric.

That country (Pakistan) is a cesspit of filth, and yes, I have been there much to my misfortune.
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It's very tempting to suggest any UKIP supporter or voter, but, thankfully, such places are no longer referred to in this manner.
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indeed look at the former colonial neighbour (India)... India has a lot of faults... but its well ahead of Pakistan in virtually every metric.
I've certainly had Indians tell me this.
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Our two weeks of meetings in Karachi (which unfortunately I was forced to attend) acclimatized me to living by looking over my shoulder and being totally wary every step of the way. Nasty, nasty country where our company refused to send females after one was assaulted by a member of the hotel staff (and this was a very decent hotel).

Attending a mandatory briefing at the US Embassy we were told effectively we were one step from having our throat slit so never travel alone, always in pairs and always with the assigned bodyguard... that certainly woke me up from my comfortable slumber at the back of the room.

Every Christian in that country is a genuine asylum seeker in my opinion and I would be the first to welcome them with open arms.
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Old 12th Jan 2019, 18:03
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Well, there's the little matter of colonial history, as it could be suggested that anything that's wrong with Pakistan is "our fault" (this is "clearly" true a fortiori, as the entire existence of Pakistan is "our fault").
Are we to blame for this also:

From Joe Watts of the telegraph of 26 July 2018.

"Home Secretary orders investigation into ethnic origin of sexual grooming gangs

Sajid Javid has ordered an investigation into why members of sexual grooming gangs are disproportionately from a Pakistani background."

The full article is at : https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8464191.html
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Are we to blame for this also:
I don't know, I haven't studied it. But I am aware that there are those who do believe that local authorities and agencies are to blame, in that they let this continue for years despite knowledge of what was going on.
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It's harder to put in the effort to improve your own country than to just sneak in to one where others have already done the hard work for you.
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I don't know, I haven't studied it.
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I don't know, I haven't studied it. But I am aware that there are those who do believe that local authorities and agencies are to blame, in that they let this continue for years despite knowledge of what was going on.
I'm not sure the "what is going on" is the correct term, perhaps "what is going on". As one ACC has stated, this is "likely endemic throughout the country" on multiple levels with both the perpetrators and the authorities guilty of various things. perhaps it has gone deeper underground but it ain't gone.

What really really pees me off, and I probably have stated it before, is the describing of the perpetrators by the BBC (and others) as "Asian" as applying this broad and inaccurate brush is in itself extremely racist.. everybody knows who these people are... and the 2-3 countries that 95% of them come from originally... but will they say it in public? PC still suffocates debate.
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I don't know, I haven't studied it. .
Interesting sort of remark I thought.
Could it because it is not on the curriculum is what came to my mind.
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