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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 16:35
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These people are cunning chancers and know we are the biggest soft touch on the planet. Once they set foot on U.K. soil, or the deck of a British water taxi, sorry Royal Navy warship, they are on the gravey train. Free houses, free education, free health care even free money.
Please put down your copy of the Daily Hate for a moment and read something that actually has facts.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 16:39
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
I am lead to believe that about 30% of claims are verified and accepted.
Of the remainder, about a further 30% of rejections are reversed on appeal.
So that takes you out to about 40 - 50 % are finally accepted.

My source is not verifiable. Anyone have any better numbers?
This seems to be ligit...

BBC Reality Check

More than 230 people have attempted to cross the English Channel in small boats since November, according to a tally being kept by BBC News.

Home Secretary Sajid Javid has declared the crossings "a major incident".

Mr Javid said that while the UK had "obligations to genuine asylum seekers which we will uphold, we will not stand by and allow reckless criminals to take advantage of some of the most vulnerable people in our global society".

So how many of those who've crossed the Channel in recent weeks are claiming asylum? The Home Office declined to give details.

But if all of them did so, it would be equivalent to the number of people who claim asylum in the UK every three days.

How many asylum seekers are there?

In 2017, there were 26,350 applications for asylum made in the UK.

This compares with 198,255 applications for asylum made in Germany, 126,550 in Italy and 91,070 in France over the same period.

In total in the UK, there were 21,290 decisions made with 31.8% gaining some form of protection.

The UK grants "refugee status" to those who are unable to live in their own country for fear of persecution because of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or other factors such as sexual orientation. A successful application usually allows someone leave to remain for five years with the opportunity after that to apply for indefinite leave to remain.Data on how migrants arrive in the UK is not readily available, but a report by the Migration Advisory Committee released in May 2018 provides estimates for "clandestine entries".
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
Please put down your copy of the Daily Hate for a moment and read something that actually has facts.
Please list these facts.

Asumming they are genuinely seeking asylum, why here?

How many are Christian or gay or both?

Playing some numbers, the population is about 83m. 3% are Christian, say 2.5m. 14% of the population are 15-24, say 350k. About half of those are female so Christian males in the age bracket of 15-24 are about 175k.

How many can afford to pay to emigrate? Are they hoping to be accepted and then pull the rest through to UK?
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 16:41
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The EU have just issued the following directive..

"The migrants on the surface of the English channel are the responsibility of the UK, but all the fish under the water belong to us."

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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 16:47
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
Please put down your copy of the Daily Hate for a moment and read something that actually has facts.

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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 16:50
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Please list these facts.

Asumming they are genuinely seeking asylum, why here?

How many are Christian or gay or both?
For facts see the many publications that are available that are not the Daily Mail/Express/Sun etc. My post above has some facts for you. Most assylum seelkers who enter Europe, do not come to the UK. Most are genuine straight forward people who just want a quiet life, away from may of the things that are forbidden in the 'home' country.

I care not what religious diety they worship, or for which side they choose to bat. Neither is important.

Why choose the UK?

Probably the same reason many of us choose to remain here. It is (generally) civilised, tolerant, wealthy, has a high standard of living. Being the fourth (or seventh depending on which set of stats you accept) richest economy in the world it is a draw. The weather's a bit crap and some of the food is questionable but I wouldn't swap it for anywhere i've been.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 16:56
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Call me a cynic, but the Home Secretary's comments have to be seen in the context of his ambition to be the next PM (which may not be far away).
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 17:05
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That will stop the asylum seekers. The last country that they will want to go to would be one with a Moslem P.M..
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 17:45
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ORAC gave the correct answer in the second post on this Thread. Everything since then has been hot air.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 18:57
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
ORAC gave the correct answer in the second post on this Thread. Everything since then has been hot air.
Sprogget disagrees but has yet to say why ORAC us wrong.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 18:58
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I would be curious to know from those coming to the UK what is dangerous and unsuitable about Italy, Germany, France, Spain etc? I was not aware of any specific threats in those countries.
The first country you get to is not always the safest, My Grandfather left Prague in 1938 and walked across Europe to reach the UK. if he had stopped as soon as he was out of Czechoslovakia then what would have happened to him???
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 19:00
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TURIN, thank you, for some reason the second part of your original posting did not show at first. I wonder how many of that EU total were non-Muslim.

Also your quoted figures do not reflect where those refugees were from originally. I thought we had moved on to Iranian refugees, a country that is relatively stable but where Christians were being persecuted.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 19:07
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The first country you get to is not always the safest, My Grandfather left Prague in 1938 and walked across Europe to reach the UK. if he had stopped as soon as he was out of Czechoslovakia then what would have happened to him???
scr1, as this current group of would-be 'immigrants' have clearly come through just those countries, what are you implying about the current EU??!!!!
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 19:07
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It is well known the US and Europe suffer greatly from counterfeit products. It has become increasingly difficult to distinguish genuine from fake. Some buy knowing it is fake, the gullible are duped and others don`t give a toss whether it is the real thing or not. The whole thing is there because there is a free market for it.

In applying this analogy to human population shifts, the main driving force behind it is the same, where highest reward for lowest labour beckon.

Really is there such a thing as a genuine asylum seeker. Could Lomapaseo, in his nomination of Julian Assange, may have found such a rare gem. Only a gemologist can give us the answer.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 19:29
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
Please put down your copy of the Daily Hate for a moment and read something that actually has facts.
Like what?

The lowest form of debate is to accuse someone by insinuating that they read a newspaper that you do not favour.

I find your comment purile.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 19:49
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Originally Posted by scr1
The first country you get to is not always the safest, My Grandfather left Prague in 1938 and walked across Europe to reach the UK. if he had stopped as soon as he was out of Czechoslovakia then what would have happened to him???
scr1, as this current group of would-be 'immigrants' have clearly come through just those countries, what are you implying about the current EU??!!!!
Although personally pro EU and on the remain side of the current mess we find ourselves in. The right wing populist governments of Hungary, Poland and Austria are starting to make one think is this coming again. Also in 1938 who would have thought that France would fall in a very short time???
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 19:58
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Sprogget disagrees but has yet to say why ORAC us wrong.
I'm afraid he didn't Moreover, these are not refugees or migrants, they are people & a little empathy towards our fellow man in difficulties & a little less gammony dehumanisation would serve us all well. I can't be bothered to type out the rest so here's your explainer why the Dublin regulations aren't all you hope they are.https://www.freemovement.org.uk/refu...-safe-country/
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 20:12
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The Dublin regulation is the law, whether you approve of it or not.
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Old 3rd Jan 2019, 20:48
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So there you have it, hope over reality.
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