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Why the Obsession with Autonomous Driving

Old 7th Dec 2018, 16:39
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Nope, I'm the one in the inside lane at 60 mph, quaking as the 40 tonne HGVs thunder past. Fortunately I live 102 miles from the nearest motorway, and nowadays always take the train for journeys of over 100 miles, so the problem doesn't arise. I did use to be a teacher as it happens, but I don't like to be reminded of the fact!

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Old 7th Dec 2018, 22:03
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Yet again a good case for autonomous vehicles on trunk roads - crash on the A1 at 1030 and cleared by 1530. Traffic was flowing but the tail back was 15 miles.
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Old 7th Dec 2018, 22:25
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People still want to go places even after their health deteriorates to the point that they can't drive themselves there. Not everyone lives in a city with buses passing every few minutes.
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Old 7th Dec 2018, 23:17
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One of Aussies big miners has autonomous trucks and trains,but at least that's in an offroad environment.Miserable pricks trying to save a $
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Old 7th Dec 2018, 23:42
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Originally Posted by Mechta View Post
People still want to go places even after their health deteriorates to the point that they can't drive themselves there. Not everyone lives in a city with buses passing every few minutes.
It is why making it free changes the dynamics very easily. Many countrys have Transit style vans providing Public transport but UK insists on huge more expensive buses.
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Old 7th Dec 2018, 23:45
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Originally Posted by Pappa Smurf View Post
One of Aussies big miners has autonomous trucks and trains,but at least that's in an offroad environment.Miserable pricks trying to save a $
What is the casualty rate in mines ?
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Old 7th Dec 2018, 23:53
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Originally Posted by Pappa Smurf View Post
One of Aussies big miners has autonomous trucks and trains,but at least that's in an offroad environment.Miserable pricks trying to save a $
Believe that has not worked out quite as well as they had hoped.

Know some folks whose "semi autonomous" vehicle tried to kill them. Senses where one is on the road and auto corrects errors. Driver moves over for an oversize load travelling in the opposite direction, vehicle promptly steers them back into harms way. Exciting stuff.
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Old 8th Dec 2018, 01:50
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We had a street party in our street a few weeks back. Turns out two of my neighbours are in the autonomous vehicle industry - one runs the California research lab for a major manufacturer, the other founded a startup in the field. We had a long chat and they are both firmly of the opinion that AV technology is fine for highways and the like, but will never be able to handle urban streets like the one we were standing in. There are just too many false cues and strange things going on. If I had to routinely drive say I-5 to LA, or the M6 to Manchester, I would be delighted to have something that would drive up and down those highways. But the first and last mile of every journey, no thanks. Which is fine, as long as you don't buy into the whole AV Kool-Aid of autonomous taxis replacing private cars and so on.
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Old 8th Dec 2018, 08:39
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Originally Posted by currawong View Post
Know some folks whose "semi autonomous" vehicle tried to kill them. Senses where one is on the road and auto corrects errors. Driver moves over for an oversize load travelling in the opposite direction, vehicle promptly steers them back into harms way. Exciting stuff.
Is that the Oz scenario where the oncoming road train takes up the entire width of the tarmac so you pull over and drive on the sand to get past it?
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Old 8th Dec 2018, 10:24
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Is that the Oz scenario where the oncoming road train takes up the entire width of the tarmac so you pull over and drive on the sand to get past it?
Not so much the width of the vehicle, but the width of its load that overhangs either side. Often some large piece of mining equipment or plant.
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Old 8th Dec 2018, 11:45
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Originally Posted by nomorecatering View Post
A car is a status symbol, an extension of your personality. I have no interest in being picked by a self driving, silent egg.
Maybe if you have a very fragile ego and nothing else interesting about you.
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Old 8th Dec 2018, 13:28
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
TTN,
are you the one that always sits in the outside lane of any motorway I am on at 69.9 mph?
Volvo estates are generally driven by teachers who long to teach their version of driving to everyone else on the road.
I feel this stereotype is due for retirement, as it dates back to the days of the Volvo 144 at least. Speaking for myself, I'm the one in lane 3 at 80-85mph, or doing 50mph along narrow Gloucestershire lanes in my 2002 Volvo automatic. Wonderful car, 3000rpm with 90 on the clock, but the MPG on trips to the shops is diabolical.
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Old 8th Dec 2018, 14:10
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Originally Posted by Shandy52
Speaking for myself, I'm the one in lane 3 at 80-85mph.
Not behind me you're not 👼
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Old 8th Dec 2018, 14:18
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Many countrys have Transit style vans providing Public transport but UK insists on huge more expensive buses.
In our last District we had Call Connect. Basically a smaller bus that you could call and would connect you to the main route.

We also had the 'ghost ' bus. The problem is the bus needed to taken shoppers in in the morning, usually full, has gone out empty. Having brought shoppers and workers home at 5 returns to depot empty. During the day there will be early returning shoppers. Now utilisation crops up. Ideally you will use a small bus during the day but this means the larger bus is standing empty. Or you could run two small buses early and late but this might need more drivers.

Nothing is simple.

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Old 8th Dec 2018, 15:30
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The problem is that we're a long way from fully automated cars that work wherever you want to go. Everything until then is a solution that needs human monitoring but humans, particularly those armed with nothing more than a regular driving license, get bored and have little discipline when it comes to constantly keeping en eye on what HAL is doing. If it works fine three days in a row odds are they'll start reading the newspaper with a cup of coffee instead.
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Old 8th Dec 2018, 17:50
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Viggen prompts a thought. How would an autonomous vehicle cope with snow and ice? Would it need to know the tyre spec or would it base its commands on feedback? Would it learn from previous feedback?
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Old 8th Dec 2018, 18:05
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
How would an autonomous vehicle cope with snow and ice?
I grew up (and now live) adjacent to a rural area that is subject to significant winter weather conditions. Some roads have no 'boundaries' - just open countryside (no kerbs or definable edges - just snow-posts to show the snowplough driver where to aim.
And conditions can vary immensely ove a short distance - we can have no snow where I live whilst the road can be blocked by drifts a couple of miles away (up the valley side).
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Old 8th Dec 2018, 18:53
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G-CPTN, and?

Would the autonomous vehicle give up as it has no road feed back or would it assess its position on Sat Navs?

A real driver might stay at home or make a decision to press on. It might have a sensor suite that could see through the snow.
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Old 8th Dec 2018, 18:59
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What happens if (when?) an autonomous vehicle gets stuck - whether on an incline or by confusion over no identifiable limit to the highway?

Would it keep trying? - or shutdown?

A human driver could utilise a shovel and/or grit to regain traction.

In the 1950s, I would swap the drive axle wheels for ultimate traction tyres and fit chains to the removed wheels.
In extremis I could fit the chained wheels.
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Old 8th Dec 2018, 20:19
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I think our metro innovators haven't thought that one through.
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