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The Death of DIY??

Old 12th Dec 2018, 17:43
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Er, Mr Navigator, whilst I am neither an engineer nor a scientist, (and I have enormous respect for them) one of the things that Dad did teach me was to plan a project. Er, isn't having enough screws a part of the plan?
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Old 12th Dec 2018, 18:34
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Most of us DIYers end up with all the screws having cross head drive heads - except the last one, which will be slotted head.
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Old 12th Dec 2018, 20:28
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Most of us DIYers end up with all the screws having cross head drive heads - except the last one, which will be slotted head.
or end up with screws left over that were not really needed...
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That reminded me about the dreaded MFI flat pack furniture days. I bought an entire set of bedroom furniture in flat pack form. I built two sets of drawers, two bedside cabinets with drawers and a large wardrobe.

Because the quality of the MFI chipboard was really poor and other stuff I'd built was therefore flimsy, I used PVA glue on every joint and dowel, rather than merely relying on the factory dowels and screw fastenings to hold it all together, I PVA'd the fronts, backs, sides of all the drawers and outer cabinets to their bases, etc.

One the second day of the build I checked the strength of the finished items. The PVA had set like iron - perfect; there was now no chance of them ever coming apart.

When I came to build the last chest of drawers, the last side panel didn't look at all right. I quickly realised that I had been given two left handed ends in the box, rather than a left and a right. I got in touch with MFI who told me the pattern was now obsolete (it certainly wasn't when I bought it the week before) and the only way they could help me now was for me to return every item in the original boxes for a full refund!

I played absolute hell with them until they found an identical unit at another branch and gave me the right handed panel - it took weeks for them to find one. I never bought another item from that company.
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Old 12th Dec 2018, 22:34
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Originally Posted by Ancient Observer View Post
Er, Mr Navigator, whilst I am neither an engineer nor a scientist, (and I have enormous respect for them) one of the things that Dad did teach me was to plan a project. Er, isn't having enough screws a part of the plan?
I have 191_spare screws and the dog has 2.5 kg of chicken for her supper.
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Old 13th Dec 2018, 18:16
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Based on the number of Home Depots and Lowes doing a brisk business and the countless auto parts stores doing a brisk business here, I'd say DIY is still very much alive and well in the USofA
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.........countless auto parts stores doing a brisk business here, I'd say DIY is still very much alive and well in the USofA
I'm not surprised. I've found that buying car parts from the USA, pre-paying import charges and having them shipped over can be considerably cheaper than buying them direct from a UK dealer.
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(Of course, that skill would not be so needed if wimyn would stop putting potato peels down the disposer.)
Potato peels . . how about the wife? . . . . after dissection ? It happened in Hill Street , Hobart, Van Diemen's Land in 1983 . HIS name was Rory Jack.

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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
Most of us DIYers end up with all the screws having cross head drive heads - except the last one, which will be slotted head.
Ancient Observer, and therein lies the answer. And yesterday?

Two new blinds were delivered including enough of the aforementioned screws to replenish my stock. They were of course cross slot screws but without the subtle Pozidrive mark. Confidently I chose the appropriate Philips blade. I then tried the next size. Best fit was of course pozidrive.
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 12:43
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Based on the number of Home Depots and Lowes doing a brisk business and the countless auto parts stores doing a brisk business here, I'd say DIY is still very much alive and well in the USofA
But they get people to change oil every 3000 miles etc.
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But they get people to change oil every 3000 miles etc.
Never understood the USA oil change thing. The same engines go far longer elsewhere ?
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Never understood the USA oil change thing. The same engines go far longer elsewhere ?
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One thing about DIY you do the work and then have to clean up any mess. In my household no matter how fantastic the finished DIY job is if there is so much as one speck of dust on the carpet or dirt in the sink the aggravation is more than not doing the job in the first place!
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Originally Posted by N707ZS View Post
One thing about DIY you do the work and then have to clean up any mess. In my household no matter how fantastic the finished DIY job is if there is so much as one speck of dust on the carpet or dirt in the sink the aggravation is more than not doing the job in the first place!
In this house, as far as tidiness goes, there are two sets of rules. The rules applied to me don't apply to her. I sit in a small tidy corner while most of the house is full of her stuff.
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N707ZS, our local tradesman is so messy my wife has banned him. He replaced some radon vents before we bought the house. Later our new puppy found where he had concealed the ones he removed.

However, SUCCESS, outfitted the pantry and returned everything to the right place. Clearly cleaned to Mrs PN's satisfaction as she was delighted.
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 21:44
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Based on the number of Home Depots and Lowes doing a brisk business and the countless auto parts stores doing a brisk business here, I'd say DIY is still very much alive and well in the USofA
I'm with Ken - there is a Home Depot about a half mile from my house, and it's always busy. The Lowes is a longer drive (but often worth it - it usually has a far better selection) and is similarly busy when I go there. Auto parts places do seem to be on the down swing - new cars are so complicated that even I don't often do much more than the basics myself anymore - and when I have done something major I tend to order the parts off the internet.
I had lunch with some of my former co-workers a couple days ago and the whole DYI thing come up in the discussions. It's true the younger generation is less into DYI (those under 40 often look in awe when I tell them about my latest project), but they are quick studies and when they figure out there is a youtube video that will show them how to do something in less than an hour with $20 worth of parts, that the 'pro' would charge a few hundred and couldn't get to it until next week - they decide DYI isn't a bad deal.

BTW, the only people I know who routinely change oil every 3,000 miles are the ones with older 'classic' cars - often 1960s or 1970s vintage. Hard to argue with the wisdom of changing the oil and filter ever 3,000 miles when they have over a quarter million miles on the odometer and the engine is still original...
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 22:18
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youtube video that will show them how to do something in less than an hour
Which has quite likely killed off some professions - one of ours taught himself to play the guitar really quite well from free online lessons. We'd have paid for a "proper" teacher if he'd asked, but he didn't want one.
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 23:43
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BTW, the only people I know who routinely change oil every 3,000 miles are the ones with older 'classic' cars - often 1960s or 1970s vintage.
I have two cars from the '90s and two motorcycles from the 80s. They are still going with their 3000 mile oil changes. Do people just buy new cars in the UK? How do you afford flying?

The 3 auto parts stores by me seem to do a good business. I always have to wait for my turn at the counter.
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 08:52
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IFMU, yes they do just buy new cars. The car dealers discovered a magic money tree. What I haven't worked out yet is what happens to all the 3 year old cars.

My previous car, 15 years, was burning oil. The change interval was 9,000 but I reckoned I had a running change in that time. I was also advised to go for higher viscosity synthetic oil. I could check the level electronically or via dipstick. The newer, 12 year old, model does not have a dipstick. In fact you don't need to lift the bonnet as the computer monitors everything for you (but not the tyre pressure).
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 09:27
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I was also advised to go for higher viscosity synthetic oil.
Usually quite acceptable on an older engine, newer ones with VVTI and multiple camshafts need thin oil to be able to flow through all the narrow passage ways. A good old 20W50 would be like filling them with tar and result in rapid wear through oil starvation.

I've just done my bit for DIY and replaced the handle on my washing machine door for a fiver and a trip to the spares department. Took around 15 minutes. As stated in earlier posts, plenty of videos on YouTube showing how to do it and the saving over calling out a repair man was considerable.
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