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Old 27th Nov 2018, 03:06
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Trump vs Hitler - are they that different?

Recently having seen Trump slowly loosing his marbles in more than one way, I have started to see some interesting parallels between Trump and Hitler.

The AMERICA FIRST rhetoric have probably not been seen in the world since Hitler made his famous speeches about how Germany was going to be first, the German people first - it's scary how little people remember from history - Never was so much owed by so many to so few - we seem to forget the hate rhetoric.

Equally Trumps love in with world dictators such as Kim Jong Un, Putin, Saudi Arabia - not to dissimilar to Hitlers pact with Stalin, Mussolini and Franco + South American dictators of his time like Peron.

The constant firing of people investigating him, he has clearly found who to blame for all of USA's problems, the Muslims and the Mexicans. He has already shown himself as the "bully" on the world stage, trying to demand respect, when he has done very little to deserve this.

Add the fact he is trying to shut down the freedom of speech, if there is anyone who speaks negative about them, than he shouts and tweets Fake News. He equally tried to ban certain journalists from CNN to the white house using his "personal power".

There are many examples how he has tried to derail the investigation against him, failing to distance himself from far right Nazi's example in Charlotteville, where he did not distance himself from the KKK and Nazi protesters, just saying that "many sides" had caused issues.
Of course he would not want to distance himself from a large voter group, who seem him as their first president in the USA, who seems to be supporting their perverse views.

Constantly trying to influence the Mueller enquiry, firing whoever he does not like, Sessions, Yates, Bharara and Comney, all was involved in investigating Trump.
His disregard to his own CIA regarding the Khashoggi murder by the Saudis, Trumps best friend.

If the rhetoric of America First America First repeated with such passion does not make the alarms bells ring that we have a mad man in the white house, than I suggest people revisit some of their history lessons, to see how Hitler used nearly the exact same phrases.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 03:36
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“....the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”
— Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

But Hitler at least had a consistent (if crazed) belief and philosophy. Trump cynically says whatever is convenient. Look at his history on 2nd amendment, Iraq war, Russia - he blamed Obama for being weak with Putin!!! It seems that Trump does not really believe or care about anything except Trump - he just chooses what to say for popular effect. Also Hitler seems to have built a fiercely loyal team of senior people around him. Trump is incapable of that for obvious reasons.

So although their methods have a lot in common, Trump is fortunately much dumber, weaker and less effective than Hitler.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 04:23
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Eva Braun was younger.
Hitler, he only had one ball (song reference, folks) ... and as far as we know, never reproduced.
German food was and remains much heavier, and German beer much better.
Trump doesn't drink. Rumor has it that Hitler was vegetarian. (Can't recall if that's substantiated or not, and it's late)
Trump eats Big Macs.
Hitler served on Western Front, got wounded, and was IIRC decorated.
Trump never served.
Trump grew up in the wealthy class. Hitler grew up poor.
Hitler actually wrote his book / pamphlet: Mein Kampf.
Not so sure Trump wrote "Art of the Deal" ... even though his name's on it.
Hmm, comparisons difficult.
Trump set fire to the Republican party, slash and burn, to get the nom. Succeeded.
Hitler set fire to, or had fire set to, the Reichstag.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 04:33
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Lame....

But I will bite.

I don't know if I could get on with him personally but I will give the man credit for the following -

He is not a career politician so therefore not obliged to kiss anyone on the behind.

Sacking public servants? Should be more of it.

And last but not least, World War 3 was supposed to kick off just after he took charge. It hasn't.

Oh, and the left hate him. Which kind of makes me like him...
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 04:48
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Hitler was a socialist. Trump isn't. Trump is not like Hitler at all.

I find it offensive that someone who killed millions directly and led to the deaths of millions more indirectly can be compared to Trump.

In a world where everything is fascism, everything is racism and anyone with a different world view is 'literally Hitler' the words lose meaning. What then happens when we come across real fascism, racism or literally Hitler reincarnated?
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 05:02
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Originally Posted by double_barrel View Post
— Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

But Hitler at least had a consistent (if crazed) belief and philosophy. Trump cynically says whatever is convenient. Look at his history on 2nd amendment, Iraq war, Russia - he blamed Obama for being weak with Putin!!! It seems that Trump does not really believe or care about anything except Trump - he just chooses what to say for popular effect. Also Hitler seems to have built a fiercely loyal team of senior people around him. Trump is incapable of that for obvious reasons.

So although their methods have a lot in common, Trump is fortunately much dumber, weaker and less effective than Hitler.
I can not disagree in much of what you or Lonewolf 50 say there.
In the start I firmly believed give the guy a chance, however as time has passed I have started to change my opinion.
Some of his statements and rhetoric is sounding dangerously similar to Hitler, starting to get curious where he finds his inspiration for his rhetoric, as I doubt he is smart enough to get this all from his own ideas. Sounds fairly scripted, when he goes on America First.

"He is not a career politician so therefore not obliged to kiss anyone on the behind" - Well I have to disagree, I don't think I have seen a president so keen to kiss the Saudi prince behind as Trump, I guess he does not want to mess up his hotel / property deals with the Saudis. Or what about: "President Trump reportedly referred to Haiti and countries in Africa as “shithole countries” and called for more immigrants from places like Norway at an Oval Office meeting "
We know that Hitler saw the Scandinavien as part of his ideal world of the Aryan race.

However demonic Hitler was, he was clearly by a mile way smarter than the Trump will ever be. Yet Trump have let himself dumb himself down, without possessing a share of intelligence before or when he speaks.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 05:10
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Originally Posted by CroqueMonsieur View Post
Hitler was a socialist. Trump isn't. Trump is not like Hitler at all.

I find it offensive that someone who killed millions directly and led to the deaths of millions more indirectly can be compared to Trump.

In a world where everything is fascism, everything is racism and anyone with a different world view is 'literally Hitler' the words lose meaning. What then happens when we come across real fascism, racism or literally Hitler reincarnated?
Well we live in a free world, which allows us to be offensive, I guess that is part of freedom of speech.
I also suggest you get some improved history lessons if you believe Hitler was a socialist, was it one thing he despised more than anything else, than it was the communism. The Nazi party was an Anti-Socialist movement. Right wing, you know most socialists are Left wing.
There's a big difference between fascism and socialism, in that they're COMPLETE OPPOSITES. Hitler and his party was fascist - 1. Saw themselves as racially/nationally superior, 2. Wanted rearmament & expansion, 3. Consolidated capital. In other words - definitely not socialists.

No doubt that Trump have similar inclinations, he comes out with America First, American Money First, American Business First before anything else, it's just America First. He has made America / USA an international laughing stock - with all his stupid comments - he has lost all the respect I had for him, if there was ever any.

I find it offensive that Trump supports a regime like Saudi Arabia, and have "no balls" to stand up for the values we believe are right, as we can see for Trump, as long as the Price is Right, he does not care.
He will even try to spin it in a bad way, to accuse Khassogi was a treat to the Arabic state, and part of the brotherhood, so Trump even actively tried to discredit a man, which his own CIA had told him had been murdered in cold blood on orders of the Saudi prince.

So if you want to elevate Trump to some kind of saving angel, I am sorry, I will have to disagree with you, regardless of what offence you take.
The rhetoric America First, was the same as Hitler said during the 30's during his rise to power - German people first. Sure one is a lame dumb Donald Duck, the other an evil monster who nearly conquered the world with his madness.

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Ah the old ‘Hitler was a Socialist’ chestnut, trotted out by conservatives every time right wing politics and the word Nazi are found in the same sentence. The problem with trying to claim that historical fallacy as fact is that anyone who has made even the most basic study of the Third Reich knows that it’s absolute garbage.

Naming of the NSDAP was purely based on popularism. Hitler was appealing to the masses based on the leanings of the German populace at the time. After the Munich Beer Hall Putsch he realised that the only way to achieve his aims was through the ballot box - the parties name and most of their policies were purely designed to put Hitler in power. We know what happened when he got there.

The German National Socialist Workers Party was as ‘socialist’ and for the ‘workers’ as the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is ‘democratic’ and for the ‘people’. If you simply see the word ‘socialist’ and use it as a keystone for an argument about Hitlers political leanings you are a simpleton.

As for Trump, I agree with Lonewolf. He’s a wannabe no doubt, but he’s not even in the same league.
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Read up on the raise and fall of Mussolini, now there's an early Trump.
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Originally Posted by CroqueMonsieur View Post
Hitler was a socialist. <snip>
Show, you have no idea of history in four words. Check!
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For those of you who have, or have access to, a certain widget much promoted as being able to run your life and knowing the answer to all and any questions....(as seen on TV ) try posing the question "Why is Donald Trump such an asshole "?......the reply is, erm, " interesting ".....

Strangely, Sam Cooke's " A change is gonna come " isn't available on the record library of said widget ......

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"Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce." - Karl Marx, The 18th Brumaire of Louis Napoleon.

Hitler was the tragedy - Trump is the farce. Although he may be able to do a certain small amount of damage before he is - excreted.
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Originally Posted by CroqueMonsieur View Post
In a world where everything is fascism, everything is racism and anyone with a different world view is 'literally Hitler' the words lose meaning. What then happens when we come across real fascism, racism or literally Hitler reincarnated?
That world only exists inside your paranoid mind, dearie.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 09:18
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“Are they that different..?” I’ve not noticed any extermination camps and contrary to the predictions of his political opponents, Trump hasn’t started any wars. On the contrary, he’s done pretty much exactly what he said he was going to. Of course that’s damning in some eyes
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And last but not least, World War 3 was supposed to kick off just after he took charge. It hasn't.
One view is that it's going on right now, and the "good" side is losing.
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There's a big difference between fascism and socialism, in that they're COMPLETE OPPOSITES.
Like Democratic people Republic is anything but democratic.
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Needs its own thread - but Hitler, and Naziism, were at root socialist....

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...m-1186455.html

It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical........

Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit". He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that "they had never even read Marx", implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been "a private Russian affair", whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.......
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
One view is that it's going on right now, and the "good" side is losing.
Another is that it has been and gone. Except it was called "Cold" instead of "3".

I have trouble understanding how the man musters up such opposition from those he has so little relevance to.

Not like he is a former terrorist or anything. But then those leaders tend to find favour with many of his critics.

But then, I have never suffered through any of his TV appearances.
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Yes, they are. This has to be one of the stupidest and fatuous threads on PPRuNe. Recently I have found myself defending Trump and I am fairly sure that he would not be my cup of tea if I met him. Trump for all his faults has not caused a world war. Nor has he tried to wipe out a complete religion in an appalling and brutal manner. No concentration camps sending women and children to gas chambers. He has not precipitated murder and mayhem nor tried to invade other countries. This is either a joke or history has been manipulated out of all recognition at snowflake university. Stupid beyond belief.
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