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Old 14th Nov 2018, 16:51
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Originally Posted by aterpster View Post
That's not a legal defense, at least in the U.S.
It certainly is for keeping your job. In fact itís virtually the law since you now have a disability.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 17:22
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It certainly is for keeping your job. In fact itís virtually the law since you now have a disability.
I agree. For pilots the drill is to play the HIMS card while maintaining your innocence in court. Then, when you get out of the residential treatment, cut a deal to see if the judge will defer adjudication of the charges and let you go back to work under the HIMS letter of agreement with the union. Doesn't always work but usually worth a try.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 17:42
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767 View Post


It certainly is for keeping your job. In fact itís virtually the law since you now have a disability.
I think that the disability is that there is something wrong with her legs; they won't walk past a bar.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 17:50
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The article mentions she was acquitted of all charges as she wasn't served drinks for 6 hours and could only be convicted while in UK airspace which was the last 20 mins, so I think she's good to go and she gets to keep her job.

She also pulled the same stunt on Kingfisher Airlines several years ago.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 17:53
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The article mentions she was acquitted of all charges as she wasn't served drinks for 6 hours and could only be convicted while in UK airspace which was the last 20 mins, so I think she's good to go and she gets to keep her job.

She also pulled the same stunt on Kingfisher Airlines several years ago.
Well, it's nice to have a hobby.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 18:14
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Originally Posted by FLCH View Post
The article mentions she was acquitted of all charges as she wasn't served drinks for 6 hours and could only be convicted while in UK airspace which was the last 20 mins, so I think she's good to go and she gets to keep her job.
What article are you referring to ?

The only link I can see in this thread is to the Times of India, which doesn't say that at all.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 18:23
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Originally Posted by FLCH View Post
The article mentions she was acquitted of all charges as she wasn't served drinks for 6 hours and could only be convicted while in UK airspace which was the last 20 mins, so I think she's good to go and she gets to keep her job.

She also pulled the same stunt on Kingfisher Airlines several years ago.
I think you need to read the article again. The 2009 incident on Kingfisher was with Guinness 'heiress' Clare Irby. The latest incident is with someone else described as a 50 year-old woman. Ms. Irby is several years younger.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 19:06
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Originally Posted by nevillestyke View Post
I think that the disability is that there is something wrong with her legs; they won't walk past a bar.
As a lawyer she was called to the Bar

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Old 14th Nov 2018, 19:36
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I almost married someone who behaved like that.

If it had happened downtown Coventry on a Friday night, plod would have given her a free room (no window) for an evening.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 19:47
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Her style of argument has more in common with a chave on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 20:07
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i would have restrained her arse after a very stern warning. IMHO The crew didnít handle this very well at all.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 20:19
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Originally Posted by roybert View Post
As a lawyer she was called to the Bar
Or not, at the case may be - there appear to be doubts about whether she is, as she claimed to be, a barrister.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 20:23
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She’s a very very important person it seems.

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Old 14th Nov 2018, 20:27
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I have it on fairly good authority that she is not a Barrister.

More a Barista.
Until the sun goes down over the yard arm.
And coffee is timely substituted for red, red wine (lots).

Either way - she's busted. Good thing too.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 22:08
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It is all very well to label drug dependence as a 'disability' which maybe it is. But when the law accepts that as an excuse for criminal activity, surely the law is too soft.
This poor lady needs help. She should be ordered into a secure rehab facility to dry out. Either she should agree to that, or face jail time.
She certainly should not be allowed to board any more flights until she beats her demons, because in some parts of the world her behavior could well have resulted in a more aggressive response from the crew, the authorities, or indeed other passengers.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 23:55
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Careful there....

Originally Posted by InSoMnIaC View Post
i would have restrained her arse.
Some folks like that.

Many moons ago, well before 9/11, a British airline equipped its aircraft with police-style handcuffs, and it was reported that most of them promptly went missing. A spokesman, tongue in cheek, answered a reporter's question with, "We suspect the dedicated professionals of our cabin crew brought them home to practice with."
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Old 15th Nov 2018, 01:45
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I think you need to read the article again. The 2009 incident on Kingfisher was with Guinness 'heiress' Clare Irby. The latest incident is with someone else described as a 50 year-old woman. Ms. Irby is several years younger.
You are completely correct I put 2+2 and got 5 ..... my apologies to all .
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Old 15th Nov 2018, 02:27
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Originally Posted by InSoMnIaC View Post
i would have restrained her arse after a very stern warning. IMHO The crew didn’t handle this very well at all.

I couldn’t agree more ..

Just a few points of observation

A number of procedures to follow, initially de-escalatate the situ, apply LEAP technique etc , but when it’s out of hand like it was restraints are the only option following by diversion if the situation worsened.

Have we confirmed whether the chap with the 2 gold fish fingers on his shoulder in the mid-galley was an FO or purser.
The claims she made of her profession were designed to scare / intimidate the crew. It is highly probable she is mentally unstable.

But , she was flying in business class or {first} so most likely of some higher position than the normal unruly pax...
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Old 15th Nov 2018, 03:08
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I couldnít agree more ..

Just a few points of observation

A number of procedures to follow, initially de-escalatate the situ, apply LEAP technique etc , but when itís out of hand like it was restraints are the only option following by diversion if the situation worsened.

Have we confirmed whether the chap with the 2 gold fish fingers on his shoulder in the mid-galley was an FO or purser.
The claims she made of her profession were designed to scare / intimidate the crew. It is highly probable she is mentally unstable.

But , she was flying in business class or {first} so most likely of some higher position than the normal unruly pax...
you have to understand the cultural & situational perspective of the crew. It is a government run airline that is under intense public scrutiny for any & every misstep. In the not so recent past they have been under fire for various aspects of crew mis behaviour & in some cases (personally witnessed) passengers use this as the smallest excuse to whip up a situation. It is very normal now at Indian airports to see passengers highlighting media reports & accusing AI crew for the smallest of things just so that they can get away with excess baggage etc. This is compounded by the fact that she was a female & currently in India it is a no go to restrain or even touch a woman especially as a male as you can get accused for molestation at a heartbeat. While walking on the street or boarding an elevator I always ensure I give way & leave a foot distance (in a crowded country that is hard) least a brush by results in a non bail able warrant. If you play back the video you will hear the instruction repeated ďdonít touch herĒ. The captain advises only female crew to approach her & what is most noticeable is the other male passengers all around stay quiet & mind their business without intervening. Taking all this into perspective I feel crew managed the best within their restricted abilities. I know this is sad but unfortunately in the world of video editing and social media we all need to think multiple times before acting. As a follow up she has been released after a 6 hour detention pending investigation I am confident she will not get a visa to enter India again & will probably make the no fly list there too. Hope she finds that out the hard way.
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Old 15th Nov 2018, 03:22
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Somehow, I don't think that guy with two stripes is the 'captain'.
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