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Old 12th Nov 2018, 07:30
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An American in Manchester

From today’s POLITICO, enjoy.......

YANKEE DOODLE: My D.C. colleague Daniel Lippman flagged this travel review of Playbook’s home (ish) city of Manchester by a city-obsessed blogger from San Francisco, who flew over for a weekend in October. “I’ve never seen such widespread, extreme public drunkenness in my life,” she begins, gobsmacked by the merry English way of life. Playbook has rarely felt so proud. She’s also shocked to see women breastfeeding in public, winces at the “strange, dirty smells” coming from the shops and falafel joints, and deems every building of the past 100 years “pretty terrible.” Terrific stuff.
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 08:01
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Well, he will go to a major British city over a weekend.. Imagine if he had been to Newcastle! His eyes would have come out on stalks.. .


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Old 12th Nov 2018, 08:31
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Now that's a truly "inspired " travelogue !...well done, luv, which her mandamship may well have been addressed as a few times during her minimal stay.

Loved the bit about the streets and walking being "unfriendly " and the lament about the "skeletons " of the past architecture ........otherwise known as slums.....and lets face it, if all she saw that so offended her delicate sensibilities was a standard night in Manchester or any other UK City for that matter, it's possibly a good idea if she remains in the utopia of the USA....

Thankfully, for her, it's probably just as well she didn't attend a Utd vs City match....and witnessed the camaraderie that exists between the fans......cough !

Anyway, as a Mancunian...she seemed bemused by this term....all I can say is thanks for the compliments.....luv...... now sod off back across the pond.
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Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.......

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My home town. Got along just fine.
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 09:56
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Well, I spent a day up there delivering and collecting an exhibition at a rather smart hotel in a converted warehouse next to Old Trafford. The area seemed to be booming. Clean and tidy with new apartment blocks springing up. Very pleasantly surprised as opposed to the nice couple who on being asked for £27 for two bottles of beer and two small glasses of wine in the reception bar looked less than pleasantly surprised. I stuck to the admittedly very nice coffee at £3 a pop.
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Seriously? One night and that’s enough to review a city? I once drove through Cardiff on my way to Swansea. I might write a review too.
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On my occasional forays back north to see distant relatives I'll admit there might be parts of Wythenshawe I might steer clear off on a Saturday night but if she has a problem with the city centre, well, .....politest way to put it is she really needs to get out more....
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On my occasional forays back north to see distant relatives I'll admit there might be parts of Wythenshawe I might steer clear off on a Saturday night but if she has a problem with the city centre, well, .....politest way to put it is she really needs to get out more....
Nope, you would be quite safe(ish) on"the reservation "......but your cars chance of survival on the other hand....

Anyway, thankfully we have not been treated to her impressions of Longsight and Levenshulme, or Ardwick, as she was whisked back to the sanity and ambience of London

Shame she missed Gorton, Harpurhey, Newton Heath, Collyhurst (to name but a few)...which would probably have necessitated a medical evac to the USA in a state of deep shock if she had, and, such brazen culinary indifference here......she never had Hollands Steak and Kidney pudding, chips, and mushy peas !......now that speaks volumes in itself as to how much she saw of Manchester
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Manchester is the most popular European destimation on the network. According to many of the cabin crew members of a certain US airline.

I kid you not, i was shocked too.
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 11:44
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Perhaps Mr Lippman should have stayed in the US and visited somewhere more friendly and welcoming.

Detroit, perhaps.
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Imagine if he had been to Newcastle! His eyes would have come out on stalks.. .

I spent quite a few years of my childhood in Manchester after my dad died quite young and mother and myself went to live with his parents before we went back home after she remarried to another RAF flyer based in Germany. And then I went back to Manchester for a couple of years in my early 20s - woman, love, and all that - before getting my first ' proper ' flying job and settling here in France.

Nowadays, I go back to Manchester for a day or so a couple of times each year to see my cousins. The centre is certainly more ' ritzy ' than I ever thought would be possible, but as you guys above have already mentioned, leave the city centre for the suburbs and the majority of them remain just as bad as I remember from all those years ago and perhaps even worse as nowadays every house seems to have two or three tatty cars parked outside and mile after mile of takeaway food shops on the roads leading from the suburbs into the centre.. It all looks so scruffy and untidy.

On the other hand, ten years ago The Daughter gor her first job in the UK working at Newcastle University. I'd never been to Newcastle before and my only expectation when we went to see her for the first time were based on memories of old black and white photos from the Charlie Buchan Football Monthly magazines of the 1950s when, to me as an eight year old in Manachester, Newcastle seemd to be even poorer, dirtier, grittier, etc. Even the photos of footballers and football matches in Newcastle were never black and white, only ever black and grey.

Huge surprise, therefore, when Newcastle city centre turned out to be one of the best examples of modern redevelopment and general clean-up that I've seen anywhere, and so much better than the bling-bling of Manchester's revamped city centre. Horses for courses, I suppose, but no matter how much Manchester tries to impress, it certainly isn't for me.
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" leave the city centre for the suburbs and the majority of them remain just as bad as I remember from all those years ago and perhaps even worse as nowadays every house seems to have two or three tatty cars parked outside and mile after mile of takeaway food shops on the roads leading from the suburbs into the centre.. It all looks so scruffy and untidy. "

The residents of Altrincham , Hale, Hale Barnes, Bowden, Prestwich, Didsbury and..... similar haffluhent locations would probably not be overly impressed with your observations above ......
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 16:19
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
" leave the city centre for the suburbs and the majority of them remain just as bad as I remember from all those years ago and perhaps even worse as nowadays every house seems to have two or three tatty cars parked outside and mile after mile of takeaway food shops on the roads leading from the suburbs into the centre.. It all looks so scruffy and untidy. "

The residents of Altrincham , Hale, Hale Barnes, Bowden, Prestwich, Didsbury and..... similar haffluhent locations would probably not be overly impressed with your observations above ......

But we live in Cheshire, dahling, not Manchester....

Used to be able to say the same myself when I lived in Hyde until it became Tameside - the long-time residents of Hyde were almost suicidal to be lumped together with Ashton , Denton and Droylesden....
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One of the downsides of the internet is that every idiot and his or her dog can publish something which can, with a few exceptions, be read worldwide.

If that same person started talking to you in a pub you would probably walk away muttering........
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But we live in Cheshire, dahling, not Manchester....

Used to be able to say the same myself when I lived in Hyde until it became Tameside - the long-time residents of Hyde were almost suicidal to be lumped together with Ashton , Denton and Droylesden....
Yep,I know, whence cometh the creation of Greater Manchester, many smelling salts were consumed over the fact Weemaserlow remained in Cheshire, but, sadly, those residents in Altrincham and suburbs thereof were downgraded to being in Manchester....terrible really...

But you survived Hyde ! .....and yep, the residents did have a valid view about being conjoined with those des res locations you mention......Hyde can be quite peaceful at times.......in comparison
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This is a fascinating parallel.

An American goes for a short visit in one of the UK urban areas and comes away with the impression that the whole country is a bunch of drunks. Immediately the Brits here get their backs up, with "how dare you judge us" and "you are stupid". Meanwhile completely failing to acknowledge that the UK does indeed have a problem with public drunkenness. You'd have to be blind and olfactorily challenged not to see it.

On the other interminable threads, though, Brits read and watch the media, sometimes visit, and conclude that the whole of the US is murdering each other with guns. We, of course get our backs up with "2nd amendment" and "you're being selective". Most of us here do accept that we have a social problem with violence, marked in the inner cities and complicated by mental health issues.

I know, I know: "guns and murder are worse than booze and barfing". My point, rather, is the lack of awareness, and the predictable reaction to an outsider critiquing one's culture.
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This is a fascinating parallel.

My point, rather, is the lack of awareness, and the predictable reaction to an outsider critiquing one's culture.
It appears our British colleagues are a bit ruffled at someone who knows nothing about their culture trashing it publicly.

Imagine that...
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Old 12th Nov 2018, 18:56
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