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Old 11th Nov 2018, 12:25
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Schengen VISAS!

I know I live in the dream-world of the aged right now, but glanced at the Schengen on Google and was astonished to see money wanted for 'Schengen' visas. What's happening? Which is a polite way of saying, WTF?
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 12:49
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Originally Posted by Loose rivets View Post
I know I live in the dream-world of the aged right now, but glanced at the Schengen on Google and was astonished to see money wanted for 'Schengen' visas. What's happening? Which is a polite way of saying, WTF?
"What's happening" is something called "#brexit".

Sometimes, not that often but just sometimes, you get what you vote for.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 13:09
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
"What's happening" is something called "#brexit".

Sometimes, not that often but just sometimes, you get what you vote for.
Utter rubbish.
The Schengen visa scheme has been in operation for at least 9 years (and quite possibly far longer) as someone I used to work with was required to get one back in 2009.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 13:32
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Originally Posted by 747 jock View Post
Utter rubbish.
The Schengen visa scheme has been in operation for at least 9 years (and quite possibly far longer) as someone I used to work with was required to get one back in 2009.
Yes, what's not rubbish is that UK citizens (well, those who don't qualify for an Irish passport) will have to start paying. Because of #brexit.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 14:33
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The Schengen visa scheme has been in operation for at least 9 years (and quite possibly far longer) as someone I used to work with was required to get one back in 2009.
Visa scheme has been active at least two decades... and Schengen itself over thirty years or so. I recall Russians applying in the late 90's.
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Visas are like tracer, they f*** up both sides.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 15:18
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There is no reason that visa free access to the Schengen area for UK passport holders can not be negotiated like has been done for many other countries in the world. As it would be done on a reciprocal basis, it should be pretty simple. Unless, the evil empire wishes to be spiteful. So, best I download the application form. You will need proof of medical insurance and accommodation/travel bookings for a start.
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Originally Posted by flash8 View Post
Visa scheme has been active at least two decades... and Schengen itself over thirty years or so. I recall Russians applying in the late 90's.
"at least two decades" but according to some, it's still the fault of Brexit.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 15:24
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Originally Posted by 747 jock View Post
"at least two decades" but according to some, it's still the fault of Brexit.
I wouldn't say the fault of, I just think some people are surprised that crashing out of the EU means we may need a visa to visit the Schengen area!
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I wouldn't say the fault of, I just think some people are surprised that crashing out of the EU means we may need a visa to visit the Schengen area!
"May" being the operative word.

Right now we have no idea what may or may not be required. My best guess is that as there are loads of people (truck drivers and the like) travelling both ways every day there will be some form of agreement, as there is now. We may be in the EU, but we're not within the Schengen area at the moment. Will Ireland (just to take one example of a border that thousands cross every day) be happy if the UK (post-Brexit) requires visas? I doubt it, and suspect that many other EU states will not want to have to get visas to travel to the UK, either. It's entirely possible that the EU would not allow a visa-free travel deal, but they then face as much, or more, hassle if we choose to retaliate by requiring all EU state citizens to have a UK visa in order to enter.

As usual, we're seeing loads of stupid posturing all round, with doomsday scenarios being put forward as if they were exactly what is going to happen.
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Well from the sounds of it those who are surprised are brexit-proponents. You have to make allowances because they're unlikely to be particularly bright.

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What an arrogant statement.
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 16:10
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That last post does make you sound like a bit of a 🔔. I expect better from you.

As I said in a post on another thread earlier this week. I will not lose a wink of sleep about anything Brexit related until at least April 2019. Unless you are in the negotiating room with the politicians you will not have the faintest clue what is actually going on.

If it does turn out to be all your worst fears come true then why not just enjoy your last few months of prosperity before your whole world comes crashing down.

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Old 11th Nov 2018, 16:11
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Originally Posted by M.Mouse View Post
What an arrogant statement.
There is plenty of research showing an inverse correlation between educational achievement and tendency to vote for #brexit, so that's more of a "factual" statement than an "arrogant" one.

Here's one - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7881441.html - but there are plenty of others, just Google "brexit education correlation".
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Irrespective of whether or not a visa will be required, it won't be a problem..........the British are famed for their love of queues and, in this instance, better still we can have our own elitist and separate queue.......that's Britain really showing the world whose who !
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Brexit is much more than the possibilty of needing a visa to visit the shengen area. So what if we do?

If brexiters are dumb, can remainiacs explain diane abott?
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 16:55
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can remainiacs explain diane abott?
C'mon, nobody can explain Diane Abbott.
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If brexiters are dumb, can remainiacs explain diane abott?
The exception that proves the rule, obviously.

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Old 11th Nov 2018, 17:04
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I had a smashing row over a Schengen visa when I was living in Germany. Returning from a visit to UK, I drove off the ferry and we were singled out for a passport check. My missus was a Filipino national and Schengen not withstanding she had to get visas to go to places like Spain, France etc. We never bothered over a visa for France as the routine was "swan in and swan out".
The French border official was a hoot. He wore a full length leather overcoat and he looked for all the world like a John Cleese character but was missing the cardboard sign around the neck saying "Gestapo". Anyway, we got into an argument, he threatening to put us back on the boat, me saying "bog off" etc. In the end I crumbled and asked what were the options. "Either we issue her a visa here at Calais or you go back." came the answer. OK I said, let's have the visa issued here. Aah, he said, it will cost me triple the normal fee. Go ahead I replied. He said "Are you sure? It will cost 600 Francs". Then the fun began: Oh not it won't said I, Oh yes it will said he (and it wasn't even panto season!) Eventually, I thought I out to put an end to this as I wanted to be on my way. I pointed out that a Schengen visa for the family of a European national was free. Still he argued, saying it normally cost 200 Francs so three times 200 was 600. No, when I was at school three times zero was, more or less, zero. Fortunately, his uniformed man on duty got on his computer, turned around and said, in English, he is right, the fee is zero. Cue for one Gestapo coated immigration super sleuth to harrumph loudly and to stalk off into the night. His uniformed colleague smiled and said I could resume my journey. At the time, I had little doubt that Ober Leutnant Pierre would have pocketed the cash and it would have resurfaced in one of the local bars.
On the other hand, stupidity is not the exclusive domain of the French. Ahead of a work trip to Portugal, I decided I would take the wife with me and arranged visas for her for Portugal and Spain. This was all done at short notice and it was only when I got the passport back from the Spanish that I noticed the visa granted her a single entry only. That was going to be tricky as her return to Germany would see us having to go via Spain. Hmm. A small problemette; I didn't have time to go back to the Spanish consulate in Frankfurt. So we set off the next day. Having gone across Spain the general direction of the Douro valley, we came to the border and as I passed the gaily coloured flags, I breezed right past the Portuguese border guards who were sitting in a couple of comfy chairs. They waved at me so, being polite, I chose to interpret their waving as a friendly greeting but didn't stop. They shrugged and sat back down in their comfy chairs! When it came time to head home, I chose a quiet crossing point on the Portuguese/Spanish border and we all sat down for lunch at a cafe overlooking the border post. When I saw the Spanish guards head in for their lunch, we all got in the car and drove serenely by. And that fixed that problem!
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Old 11th Nov 2018, 17:13
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When I saw the Spanish guards head in for their lunch, we all got in the car and drove serenely by.
I know a place on the Austria - Slovenia border[#] where that doesn't quite work - when they go off to lunch they lower a barrier across the road.

But this only stops cars, not pedestrians (we walked across whilst it was closed) or motorbikes, who had room to get round the end of the barrier (as we observed others doing). So the trick there is for the dodgy person to walk across at lunch time, and wait in the pub the other side until the car (with the non-dodgy person driving) can cross. The fact that the immigration officials are probably having their lunch in the same pub and watching the entire proceedings almost certainly wouldn't bother them in that part of the world.

[#] I think. It was somewhere around there anyway.
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