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Old 8th Nov 2018, 13:42
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Yet another Mass Shooting - USA


Yet another mass shooting, this time in CA. Isn't that 2 this week, or was it 3. I've lost count.

When are Americans going to wake up and understand there is a problem. A big problem. guns themselves are not the issue, it's Americans propensity to harm others just to make a name for themselves, or to compensate for a self perceived inadequacy or insult. Get fired, slaughter some people, your girlfriend dumps you, slaughter some people, have a shitty day, slaughter some people.

Americans are so hung up on the evils of "Socialism", the mere mention to some Americans that Universal health care is needed triggers them into a frothing mess followed by repeated phrases, "America is the best country and no other country can teach it anything". America has to come to terms with the fact that there is a fundamental sickness that is pervading it's society and its psyche. There is ample evidence to support this. No other country suffers from repeated events like this...........none. When you talk about arming every teacher in every school..................there is something wrong, really wrong.

If anyone feels this is an America bashing thread......tough. Some hard and uncomfortable truths need to be told and understood.
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Old 8th Nov 2018, 14:41
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I am expecting big discussion about guns as usual. But I am rather prone to collect bets on "which SSRI medication was he on?" and I also bet that this question will not be addressed in the media...
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Old 8th Nov 2018, 14:59
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The shooter has been identified as an ex-Marine who had spoken to health professionals before but not found to have a serious problem.
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Old 8th Nov 2018, 15:08
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Originally Posted by nomorecatering View Post

If anyone feels this is an America bashing thread......tough. Some hard and uncomfortable truths need to be told and understood.
First, my 'feelings' are reserved for the wife, kids, and dog, Snickers. But, I will share with you my thoughts on the 'truths' that 'need' to be told. We have elections. Those elections choose a representative to uphold, and defend our constitution. If/when enough representatives get put in office to start limiting the liberty of the people, then they will amend our founding document. Our nation started down that dangerous road in 2008, by a bunch of self-serving do-gooder, elites who were just absolutely certain that THEY and they alone had the answer to all the problems the nation faced. There was a small chink in the armor of the do-gooders in 2012 when most of them were rejected, and sent to the back bench(metaphorically, in reality they were kicked completely out of the building). The do-gooder elites came up again in 2016 and doubled down on their plan that they would rule the world, and that the US would be one of the vassal states of their dominion. Sadly, as it came to pass, the do-gooder elites were absolutely CRUSHED and HUMILIDATED by the proletariat out in the real world of the US. Never in the history of representative govt has one party been so badly decimated, loosing thousands of representation seats in one election. It was a blood bath.

I guess, what I mean is that for a segment of about 8 years, there was a true effort involved to turn over the country to those 'who knew better' than the deplorable across our nation. Seems we kind of like that liberty thing. Although not unlimited, we're doing pretty well over here in the colonies, despite several countries trying to bring us to ruin - regularly and righteously of course...

Gun control - rejected. Socialized medicine - on the ropes, and being defunded. Unlawful entry into the republic - oh hell no. Economy going gangbusters, employment up everywhere, trade deals, negotiated with the benefit of the US again. And so much more winning! Thanks for playing, we'll take if from here.
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Old 8th Nov 2018, 15:09
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Originally Posted by Pali View Post
I am expecting big discussion about guns as usual. But I am rather prone to collect bets on "which SSRI medication was he on?" and I also bet that this question will not be addressed in the media...
I'm guessing, once anyone mentions gun control, that California having the strictest gun control will be mentioned.

That's all i'm saying on the matter that has been discussed on many occasions before. Its a USA thing.
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Old 8th Nov 2018, 15:21
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Originally Posted by ethicalconundrum View Post
First, my 'feelings' are reserved for the wife, kids, and dog, Snickers. But, I will share with you my thoughts on the 'truths' that 'need' to be told. We have elections. Those elections choose a representative to uphold, and defend our constitution. If/when enough representatives get put in office to start limiting the liberty of the people, then they will amend our founding document. Our nation started down that dangerous road in 2008, by a bunch of self-serving do-gooder, elites who were just absolutely certain that THEY and they alone had the answer to all the problems the nation faced. There was a small chink in the armor of the do-gooders in 2012 when most of them were rejected, and sent to the back bench(metaphorically, in reality they were kicked completely out of the building). The do-gooder elites came up again in 2016 and doubled down on their plan that they would rule the world, and that the US would be one of the vassal states of their dominion. Sadly, as it came to pass, the do-gooder elites were absolutely CRUSHED and HUMILIDATED by the proletariat out in the real world of the US. Never in the history of representative govt has one party been so badly decimated, loosing thousands of representation seats in one election. It was a blood bath.

I guess, what I mean is that for a segment of about 8 years, there was a true effort involved to turn over the country to those 'who knew better' than the deplorable across our nation. Seems we kind of like that liberty thing. Although not unlimited, we're doing pretty well over here in the colonies, despite several countries trying to bring us to ruin - regularly and righteously of course...

Gun control - rejected. Socialized medicine - on the ropes, and being defunded. Unlawful entry into the republic - oh hell no. Economy going gangbusters, employment up everywhere, trade deals, negotiated with the benefit of the US again. And so much more winning! Thanks for playing, we'll take if from here.
I think you should have posted in the Friday Jokes thread.
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Old 8th Nov 2018, 15:24
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Why need to address guns as a problem if you'll get the standard Republican "thoughts & prayers" bs.

​​works every time. As a matter of fact it is so efficient that I am looking at old Europe to relocate with all its "socialistic and terroristic" dangers.

Sorry Uncle Sam. You're not the same as I remember you 20 years ago. Or maybe you never were what I thought you could should would have been.

And I really learned to hate religion. Nothing is more hypocrite than a stark Bible thumping moralist.
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"Thoughts and prayers" are offered when you are completely bankrupt of ideas on how to resolve an issue.

A proposed amendment to the Constitution of the United States: The right of all citizens not to be randomly shot.

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Meh. It's only another 12 people killed.
Insignificant compared to the annual death total.
Nothing to see here...
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Old 8th Nov 2018, 16:28
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So what’s your solution? Seriously, what would you actually do about it if you were President? Outright ban? Even if you could pull that off it would still leave about 250 million guns. Demand they be handed in... I reckon you might get a fifth of them if you’re lucky, from those least likely to misuse them. Then what?
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Shoot on sight.

Oh, don't they do that already?
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There is no solution. None.
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Originally Posted by ethicalconundrum View Post
First, my 'feelings' are reserved for the wife, kids, and dog, Snickers. But, I will share with you my thoughts on the 'truths' that 'need' to be told. We have elections. Those elections choose a representative to uphold, and defend our constitution. If/when enough representatives get put in office to start limiting the liberty of the people, then they will amend our founding document. Our nation started down that dangerous road in 2008, by a bunch of self-serving do-gooder, elites who were just absolutely certain that THEY and they alone had the answer to all the problems the nation faced. There was a small chink in the armor of the do-gooders in 2012 when most of them were rejected, and sent to the back bench(metaphorically, in reality they were kicked completely out of the building). The do-gooder elites came up again in 2016 and doubled down on their plan that they would rule the world, and that the US would be one of the vassal states of their dominion. Sadly, as it came to pass, the do-gooder elites were absolutely CRUSHED and HUMILIDATED by the proletariat out in the real world of the US. Never in the history of representative govt has one party been so badly decimated, loosing thousands of representation seats in one election. It was a blood bath.

I guess, what I mean is that for a segment of about 8 years, there was a true effort involved to turn over the country to those 'who knew better' than the deplorable across our nation. Seems we kind of like that liberty thing. Although not unlimited, we're doing pretty well over here in the colonies, despite several countries trying to bring us to ruin - regularly and righteously of course...

Gun control - rejected. Socialized medicine - on the ropes, and being defunded. Unlawful entry into the republic - oh hell no. Economy going gangbusters, employment up everywhere, trade deals, negotiated with the benefit of the US again. And so much more winning! Thanks for playing, we'll take if from here.
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Old 8th Nov 2018, 16:46
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Yup, the economy is more important than the safety of its citizens. As a contemporary sociologist observed, "People of modern capitalistic societies exist to serve the economy, not the other way around. In other words, what matters most is the economy, everything else is secondary.
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Old 8th Nov 2018, 18:29
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Originally Posted by ethicalconundrum View Post

Gun control - rejected. Socialized medicine - on the ropes, and being defunded. Unlawful entry into the republic - oh hell no. Economy going gangbusters, employment up everywhere, trade deals, negotiated with the benefit of the US again. And so much more winning! Thanks for playing, we'll take if from here.
Wonderful!


Gun control - nothing to say! Actually I kind of sympathise. Of course it's mad, but I understand that locked into that situation, from the inside it seems sensible to be better armed than the next bloke.

Socialized medicine. I love that the prefix socialized makes it evil! Don't Americans understand how to the core screwed-up (and let's face it, evil) their health system is? Astounding. How you were brainwashed by billionaires and right wing politicians (who have their health care paid by your taxes), to believe that it is noble, right, the American way, to be bankrupted by illness if you are lucky, is one of the most astounding achievements of modern politics.

Unlawful entry into the republic - oh hell no. You are being played you dummy! look at the figures for deportation in the Obama years. They have actually declined under Trump. It's classic 'they are coming to get you only I can save you' politics.

Economy going gangbusters. There is some truth in that, but you should check the trends over the last decade. And deregulation just pours more money into the hands of the ultra wealthy whose total sense of entitlement results in bail-outs and tax evasion when you and I would be locked-up. And Obama bailed them out!!!!


In some ways the saddest is the rejection of the traditional American values of free speech. A war was fought for the right to make a stand for what you believe to right. The disgusting vilification of Kaepernick's, polite and respectful gesture as 'unpatriotic' is appalling.
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Well, I'm glad to see that my missive was so well received. I really like it when rational, thoughtful, and cogent contra-commentary is offered. (that's sarcasm, if it didn't come out in the wash) Drive by posts with zero content are what is expected on the forums. Good of DB above to offer some optional ideas. Oh wait, there aren't any optional ideas, just critique. I will surely give the criticism full value it deserves.

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Old 8th Nov 2018, 19:18
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Meh. It's only another 12 people killed.
Insignificant compared to the annual death total.
Nothing to see here...
Wow. That is really profound. Bet you would feel the same if it was members of your family.....

Only another 12 people killed. Anyone who thinks and then actually writes such rubbish should feel completely ashamed of themselves, especially the very clever 'meh'.
Well done.
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Old 8th Nov 2018, 19:21
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When a country as insular as the US (40% have never visited other parts of america never mind abroad) is left to stew in its own jucies for so long, it genuinely believes there is no-one else to compare itself to.
One can harp on about the US for ever. The bottom line is this:
2 years ago, 270,000,000 eligible voters had the opportunity to vote for someone to become THE most powerful human being on this planet. 58% turned up...only half the nation gave a damn.
They shortlisted 2. Clinton and Beaverhead. Both - rotten to the core. The first: corrupt, elitist. The other: corrupt, elitist, sociopath, misogynist, sexist, bankrupt.
THAT speaks volumes about this nation.
In a relatively short period (200+ years) having started out with founding father ideals, chosing the route to a model democracy, they now find themselves completely and utterly lost. Confused. Angry (very very angry with each other). Frustrated.
We are witnessing the demise of a once enviable empire (like those who have gone before them: Persia/Greece/Rome) - as it self destructs.
When "Ethicalconundrum" comes out with his explanation of these mass shootings - we all know the game is well and truly over.
RiP USA.
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Atleast China have had thousands of years to get used to power. They can only be better than the yanks when they take over as THE most powerful economy on the planet in 2030. The model is proven.

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I’ll sum up the way this thread will go to save you coming back.

* The problem is mental illness not guns.
* Guns don’t kill people, people do.
* What about Chicago?
* You don’t know anything about anything, you’re a foreigner.
* We need guns to fight the Deep State.
* Typical Leftists
* ad infinitum.
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