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Old 18th Dec 2018, 14:47
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Where does that sentence remotely claim to promise that £350 million pounds a week will be distributed into the NHS after Brexit? Handbooks on English comprehension should be sent out to Remainer strongholds before any further referendum takes place.
Sure, silly me.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 14:57
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Mind you though, I'm not at all sure what should be sent to Brexiteer strongholds. Perhaps a basic grammar book would suffice? Comprehension and grammar, just now the subjunctive mood will overtake the depressive one.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 15:26
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Where does that sentence remotely claim to promise that £350 million pounds a week will be distributed into the NHS after Brexit? Handbooks on English comprehension should be sent out to Remainer strongholds before any further referendum takes place.
Regardless of any sophistry in the language used, the juxtaposition of £350 million with the NHS was clearly intended to persuade those with less critical faculties that one was definitely linked to the other.
Just the sort of voters who would be naturally inclined towards Brexit.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 15:52
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Mind you though, I'm not at all sure what should be sent to Brexiteer strongholds. Perhaps a basic grammar book would suffice? Comprehension and grammar, just now the subjunctive mood will overtake the depressive one.
Your obsession with grammar is bizarre. You'd do well to focus on where the place is headed, how it is cabinet cheerleaders for Brexit have seen us go from promising the easiest deal in history to today where we learn the Government is writing to 140,000 businesses warning them to prepare for no deal, public service announcements to be made in the coming weeks. Medicines stockpiled, the army on standby, civil servants recruited in the thousands. There is a collective madness overtaking this country while you bang on about moods & clauses.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 16:01
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Regardless of any sophistry in the language used, the juxtaposition of £350 million with the NHS was clearly intended to persuade those with less critical faculties that one was definitely linked to the other.
Just the sort of voters who would be naturally inclined towards Brexit.
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Exactly.
It did not say what those remainers keep repeating. It was a clever bit of advertising. Whether you like it or not, for those that keep repeating that it stated the £350m for the NHS, are not bright enough to understand how some slick adverts can have an effect. Polictics is full of these slogans at every election.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 16:11
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
That's a short skip away from saying that the country should be run by union leaders but then they are wealthy and have magnificent pensions.
Not wishing to defend union leaders (never have before and I'm not going to start now), compared with senior managers of large quoted companies union leaders aren't well paid, though I'm sure they have pensions rather better than most of us who have to rely on money purchase schemes that rise and fall in value at the whim of the stock market. They often run large (albeit unproductive)organisations and are responsible for many hundreds of people so I really don't object to them earning reasonable salaries.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 16:15
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post


Exactly.
It did not say what those remainers keep repeating. It was a clever bit of advertising. Whether you like it or not, for those that keep repeating that it stated the £350m for the NHS, are not bright enough to understand how some slick adverts can have an effect. Polictics is full of these slogans at every election.
Weasel words if ever I read them The intention of that ad was clear, In fact, it's the opposite of what you contend, it got hard of thinking leavers to believe leaving the EU would be a massive financial dividend & was a flat out lie. How is that Brexit dividend coming by the way?
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 16:19
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Originally Posted by Sprogget View Post
Your obsession with grammar is bizarre. You'd do well to focus on where the place is headed, how it is cabinet cheerleaders for Brexit have seen us go from promising the easiest deal in history to today where we learn the Government is writing to 140,000 businesses warning them to prepare for no deal, public service announcements to be made in the coming weeks. Medicines stockpiled, the army on standby, civil servants recruited in the thousands. There is a collective madness overtaking this country while you bang on about moods & clauses.
I am scratching my head and trying to recall whether at anytime in the last century a UK government has set out doggedly to make the country and it's population worse off, so much so that they have 3500 military personnel on standby when the balloon goes up. I suppose the nearest we ever got to the situation the UK government is preparing for was WW1, but that was more than 100 years ago.

It isn't wartime and I for one am not going to invoke the bloody "Dunkirk spirit" - even though somewhat ironically leaving the EU is probably akin to that great heroic failure. If things are as bad as the the government is evidently planning for then I would suggest that far from pulling together, we could find ourselves embroiled in something that could make the French "yellow vests" look like a picnic.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 16:21
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The bus advert would most likely, if used for a commercial promotion, fall foul of the Trades Description Act. It is a clear attempt at misrepresentation and obviously worked a treat on a few million of our less well educated fellow countryfolk.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 16:23
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Ridiculous! "3,500 troops on standby". Standby for what? Pick cabbages. Take over the operation of Calais harbour?
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 16:30
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"3,500 troops on standby".
really, does not mean a lot as most servicemen are on standby of sorts 24/7.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 16:34
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
The bus advert would most likely, if used for a commercial promotion, fall foul of the Trades Description Act. It is a clear attempt at misrepresentation and obviously worked a treat on a few million of our less well educated fellow countryfolk.
I wouldn't say just the less educated. Advertising is very good at manipulating people, and probably the side of the bus was no less misleading as when a cosmetic company makes claims as their product being the most popular in the UK, when that is based upon the responses of less than 100 people in a survey - that sort of statement is always there in very small print at the foot of the advert. I guess if the bus claim had had a caveat in 10 point text on an obscure part of the vehicle they'd have got past the ASA comfortably.

Scanners (rather than readers) would have ready "NHS" and "350m" and put two and two together and got 5, and scanners aren't necessarily just the dim.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 16:45
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really, does not mean a lot as most servicemen are on standby of sorts 24/7.
Indeed. We have an Army barracks nearby, and, during a recent local 'disaster' (severe flooding) we were offered help, but this was refused by the County Council as it was assumed that the Army personnel wouldn't have appropriate personal protection (!).
After the event, I tried to establish a relationship with the Army for 'volunteers' to help residents move furniture in the event of a predicted flood.
It turned out that any coordinated request for volunteers would be interpreted as instructing the troops for duty and would involve a cost for their services . . .
(Apart from any request needing to be routed through the regional headquarters - so 'immediate' help wouldn't be forthcoming )
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 16:52
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If the the crashes out of the EU with no deal, and if that leads to a severe economic shock lasting more than about 6 months, then I don't think the electorate would easily forgive the current government, and however left wing Labour are, and however complicit their leader was in the crash out, Labour will gain power in an early election.
Yes, that's the plan. All they have to do is help May get the no-deal crash-out whilst appearing to be saying and doing nothing.

They will then implement their Trot Socialist Workers' Paradise and blame the resulting economic catastrophe on the Tories.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 16:53
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Originally Posted by Sprogget View Post
Weasel words if ever I read them The intention of that ad was clear, In fact, it's the opposite of what you contend, it got hard of thinking leavers to believe leaving the EU would be a massive financial dividend & was a flat out lie. How is that Brexit dividend coming by the way?
Most of your posts have been par for for course of insulting anyone who had a different opinion than you.
Well why are they 'weasel words'?

I clearly stated it was a,clever bit of advertising that gave an impression without stating it as a fact.

Many people keep going on about what was said on the Red Bus. They have jumped on the bandwagon without reading it properly. If you fell for it as well then that is your problem. For many people, they saw through it and took no notice, apart from watching all those who rushed to their own outrage bus.

You are becoming a bit of an internet bully with your condescending posts. The last BREXIT thread was closed due to people
failing to respect other. This one is heading the same way.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 16:59
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Well stop trying to ramp it up then.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 17:07
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Many people keep going on about what was said on the Red Bus. They have jumped on the bandwagon without reading it properly. If you fell for it as well then that is your problem. For many people, they saw through it and took no notice, apart from watching all those who rushed to their own outrage bus.
No ,the fonts and colours used were designed to lead readers to think the the NHS would get the £350m; that it apparently succeeded is credit to the advertising agency, and to the total discredit of the client - the official leave campaign. Just a thought; surely the blue and white NHS logo must be copyright or a trademark. One would hope that the leave campaign sought and obtained permission to use it. If they didn't perhaps there is scope for getting at least some of the £350m through legal action!!!!
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 17:07
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post


Most of your posts have been par for for course of insulting anyone who had a different opinion than you.
Well why are they 'weasel words'?

I clearly stated it was a,clever bit of advertising that gave an impression without stating it as a fact.

Many people keep going on about what was said on the Red Bus. They have jumped on the bandwagon without reading it properly. If you fell for it as well then that is your problem. For many people, they saw through it and took no notice, apart from watching all those who rushed to their own outrage bus.

You are becoming a bit of an internet bully with your condescending posts. The last BREXIT thread was closed due to people
failing to respect other. This one is heading the same way.
IF you dislike being challenged, then perhaps it would be better not to take people for fools. No one with an ounce of nouse thinks that bus is anything other than a wholly discredited lie. So spare me the emotive characterisation & argue the point if you disagree.


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really, does not mean a lot as most servicemen are on standby of sorts 24/7.
Dear god above. Yes this is completely normal, we always break out the army when it comes to government policy.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 18:06
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Parliamentary debate this afternoon was dominated by phrases such as, "No one in this House wishes to see hard Brexit...", followed by, " We believe that the electorate want ...".

It is quite simple; no one cares what politicians want, just get on with the job we elected you to do, leave the EU.

At no point was the necessity to make a deal specified in the Referendum. In fact David Cameron went to great lengths to suggest that no deal Brexit was what we were voting for. More than a quarter of a million people have reinforced that view with an on-line request for politicians to get on with a hard Brexit in the last few days.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 18:07
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MP's Nick Boles and Anna Soubrey saying they will resign the Tory whip if No Deal becomes a serious reality.
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