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Old 18th Dec 2018, 10:50
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
The only bar to me voting LD would be the wasted vote prospect. I have a feeling that this may soon be removed. The only alternative to the discredited main parties are the Greens. Most of them in my experience are out to a vegan lunch.

i have a feeling that we might find ourselves in an early 80's SDP déjà vu soon with May desperately spinning the globe in search of Falklands 2.0 as the only possibility of salvation. Now really is the time for all moderate Labour and Tory supporters to unite behind Cable.
It's a bit of a mouthful to swallow calling the greens out to lunch in one sentence, however true that may be & then go on in the very next breath to suggest the Tories might kick off a handy war between now & next March to distract everyone. Can we all calm down a bit?
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 10:51
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I've never voted anything but Tory in a GE, but the way I feel at the moment it would be LD just as a protest.

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Old 18th Dec 2018, 11:32
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Sprog, do you not get irony?
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 11:36
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Only when I have a creased shirtery.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 12:16
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I think a vote for the LD is inevitable. Regardless of other thoughts the conservative party have been shown to be more interested in themselves rather than those that elected them. We laugh at the Donald and his lies but sadly do not challenge our own politicians as strongly. To me its gone past the remain/exit discussion. This is about honesty from a bunch of public school boys.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 12:28
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I wonder how many in the Commons actually are public school boys in the British sense of the word. I have it on good authority that over 51% of the House of Commons was educated at comprehensive schools. Perhaps what's not going on there is more a reflection of what happens when you give non public school educated alumni positions of authority and then expect rapid fire decisions from them.

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Old 18th Dec 2018, 13:07
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
I wonder how many in the Commons actually are public school boys in the British sense of the word. I have it on good authority that over 51% of the House of Commons was educated at comprehensive schools. Perhaps what's not going on there is more a reflection of what happens when you give non public school educated alumni positions of authority and then expect rapid fire decisions from them.
51% of the Commons, how does that break down between the parties?

Personally it's not so much where they were educated, but how much experience of the real world (proper jobs in industry and commerce, or even getting their hands dirty in public sector jobs like health and education) they have. For my money far too many MPs appear to treat politics as a career, coming in as researchers for one party or the other, then making their way through standing in safe opposition seats, to getting shoed in to safe seats. Then there are those that have been born into wealth that don't know what struggling financially really feels like.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 13:22
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For my money far too many MPs appear to treat politics as a career
Most, if not all do. I once recall after Labour lost the 2015 Election a piece in the Guardian by a (failed) parliamentary candidate imploring the party to "engage with the people".... and offered advice on how the party should go about this... words of wisdom you may have thought... however the "adviser" turned out to be a 27 year old Oxford PPE graduate whose only job had consisted of being a Labour party researcher. At the time I thought this was just so so a typical Blairite route into politics.

It is also interesting to know that the average parliamentary candidate spends well over 100K on their campaign, much of which has to be raised locally, and a good proportion from their own pocket (something like £30K average for Conservatives) - how many folk can put down £30K at a chance to run for parliament?

From the Labour side much is funded... but most Conservative candidates have to take that £30K from their own pocket - that is why you'll never see a poor Tory politician - the barrier to entry sees to that.

My thanks to a Radio 4 Podcast for explaining this to me!
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 13:23
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If being a politician was a real job there would be a job description and levels of education required to meet the criteria. Probably need references and proof of achievements being claimed in your application. All this before you are put forward for selection. Judging by what I see on TV etc I don't believe this is how it is done at present.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 13:24
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“Unite behind Cable..”. Like they asked us to at the last election. But nobody did!

and although the Tories are looking as bad as I can ever remember seeing them, Corbyn has achieved the near-impossible task of making Labour look worse!
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 13:28
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Then too there are those who have not been born into 'wealth,' who are immensely resentful of the fact and allow that twist of personality to colour both their characters and their politics.
Margaret Thatcher was a grocer's daughter?
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 13:34
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Then too there are those who have not been born into 'wealth,' who are immensely resentful of the fact and allow that twist of personality to colour both their characters and their politics.
Margaret Thatcher was a grocer's daughter?
It's nothing to do with jealousy; but people who have had "real life" experience are probably better suited to being pragmatic rather than dogmatic. It's easy to be dogmatic if there is no financial jeopardy involved - as we can see from most of the ERG members.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 13:44
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Personally I would write into the rules that you cannot stand for parliament until you have worked in some form of industry etc for at least 10 years, that way you might get a chance of getting someone that actually know what the real world is like.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 13:48
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That's a short skip away from saying that the country should be run by union leaders but then they are wealthy and have magnificent pensions.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 13:51
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Why on earth would you give up a good job in some sort of industry to become a politician? If everyone took that view then the place would be full of people who knew what they were doing and might run the UK like a successful business. PMQ's would be very dull.

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Old 18th Dec 2018, 13:59
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The only bar to me voting LD would be the wasted vote prospect. I have a feeling that this may soon be removed. The only alternative to the discredited main parties are the Greens. Most of them in my experience are out to a vegan lunch.
Every vote is a wasted vote if the politicians renege on the promise's they made to the electorate.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 14:06
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The only wasted thing there is an apostrophe. Agree on dodgy pollys reneging on cast iron promises though.

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Old 18th Dec 2018, 15:06
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Where does that sentence remotely claim to promise that £350 million pounds a week will be distributed into the NHS after Brexit? Handbooks on English comprehension should be sent out to Remainer strongholds before any further referendum takes place.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 15:10
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I've never voted anything but Tory in a GE, but the way I feel at the moment it would be LD just as a protest.
A typical Lib Dem voter then.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 15:34
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Make voting compulsory, as it is in Australia.
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