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Old 5th Dec 2019, 20:34
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Originally Posted by flocci_non_faccio View Post
This coming from someone living in France?! Astonishing. Maybe you should worry about the utter mess in your own country before posting patronising rubbish about ours.
Classic whataboutery...the Uk in many areas appears to be in dire need of reform..am I allowed to say that as somebody who pays taxes in both the U.K. and France?

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Old 5th Dec 2019, 21:33
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The latest poll of polls shows a narrowing of the Tory lead from 11.5% to 9.6%. This implies a wafer thin Tory majority of around 15 seats. Any more erosion of their vote would see us in hung parliament territory. There is some evidence that Remain parties vote is liable to further squeezing in the final week. A further 1% loss of lead would erase that majority. What isn't clear is how a handful of seats might affect the result. For example Raab C Brexit's 23,000 majority in Esher appears under threat from a strong LD surge. Latest polling showed him around 5% ahead with a 9% Labour vote still to be squeezed potentially.
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 23:41
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Is France ablaze ?

Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
a rather unfortunate choice of words given its the streets of France that have been burning, literally, in recent times!
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Had a thought for you andrewn, after my last message, we went downtown to see friends and hear some music.
And since you mentioned burning streets and there has been a whopper of a demonstration today, I was expecting devastation.
And guess what, no smoking carcasses, no broken shop windows, just people drinking, cycling, talking, and Christmas lights.
Whoever told you of a burning inferno must have taken you for a ride...



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Old 6th Dec 2019, 06:29
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In view of the rematch taking place tonight......


To help those who may be confused, the link belwo explains the above.

However, it also mentions Boris's remarkable reticence, well remarkable for Boris that is as he's never been what you would call noted for not opening his grid when it comes to his own self promotion, to sit down for a little tete a tete ( bit of French here to show one is pro EU ) with Mr Neil.....so the second clip is possibly more relevant.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50681321



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Old 6th Dec 2019, 09:19
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
The problem I see with the UK is the system, no Government is ever going to fund say an overhaul of the road infrastructure in a multi multi billion pound rolling improvement scheme lasting say 15 plus years, as they see that as political suicide at the next election and something the party coming in will probably drop, hence we get short term fixes like slapping lipstick on a pig, it might improve its appearance in the short term, but underneath it is still a pig. Look at the farce of the high speed rail link, I mean FFS how wide are two tracks and even that may fail after it has been started..

What you need is a concerted long term plan to upgrade the infrastructure of the country, such as roads. rail, power, waste and water, until you get that, we will remain creaking under a failing system of Victorian infrastructure that simply cannot cope with the modern world.
Itís not often I find myself in complete agreement with you Nutty, but this time youíve nailed it.

There is one way to achieve this desired result you know? Itís called Proportional Representation.


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Old 6th Dec 2019, 09:49
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What you need is a concerted long term plan to upgrade the infrastructure of the country, such as roads. rail, power, waste and water, until you get that, we will remain creaking under a failing system of Victorian infrastructure that simply cannot cope with the modern world.
I didn't notice any Proportional Representation in China.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 10:14
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I didn't notice any Proportional Representation in China.
If one party gets 100% of the vote and 100% percent of the seats then that seems pretty proportional to me...
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 10:53
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Yesterday,
Labour's Laura Pidcock: "We are NOT suggesting a 4 day week" "It's NOT in our manifesto" "You must have been getting that from a third party"

What is Labour proposing?

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell initially set out the shorter working week policy at the Labour Party conference in September:
"The next Labour government will reduce the average full-time working week to 32 hours within the next decade," he said.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 11:00
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Whoever told you of a burning inferno must have taken you for a ride...
Same here ... and not even any litter, fly-posting or partly-burned pallets from campfires. Perhaps next weekend ...
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 11:41
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Originally Posted by Avionker View Post


It’s not often I find myself in complete agreement with you Nutty, but this time you’ve nailed it.

There is one way to achieve this desired result you know? It’s called Proportional Representation.


Well thank you, it infuriates me whe you see some of the supposed improvements being made to the UK road system, smart motorways already under review as dangerous and unsafe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50169527

They have just completed one of the M1 sections near me and I have to say why? great concrete bases and structures along the route of the motorway with signs that distract and to tell me tirdness kills etc, all totally pointless, in this day and age simply legislate that all new cars have to have a GPS system as standard with audible voice warnings etc played through the entertainment systems etc warning you, make it all virtual... a couple of years down the road the whole country will be covered by it, not just a few areas, where they do speed limitation / flow control areas, use the system to reduce the cars speed, an overide should be possible in cases where you need to accelerate out of danger etc.
Planting concrete posts down the sides of out motorways are not needed, out of date with technology, not green, expensive, causes frequent delays during contruction and in an instant prevent the motorway system from ever being widened to increase the amount of lanes without having to take it all out again.

Heavy use roads, build another beside it, then make the original two lanes one way and use it as a dual carriageway, classic example of it working alongside Bassenthwaite from Keswick to Cockermouth.

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Old 6th Dec 2019, 15:20
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I am not a little intrigued to know where Corbyn's connections are acquiring their "Secret" leaked documents. If it is from a member of the civil service or someone within the conservative party then it just confirms that the organisations have more holes than a Swiss Cheese. On the other hand, if said documents have been lifted via a third country hack and passed back to parties of interest in the UK, should this not warrant an enquiry?

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Old 6th Dec 2019, 15:44
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Nut - why not just fix it so cars can't do more than 80 mph?
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 17:55
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Anyone in need of a laugh (at Michael Gove's expense) should try this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/electi...s-phone-number
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 18:03
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And here's another. A Conservative trying to make sure that Amber Rudd's majority from 2017 (346) will evaporate next week:
Of course, her comments were "taken out of context". They always are!
This woman seems to support the idea that those with learning difficulties should employed at wages below the minimum wage. How nice of her!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50684582
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 20:05
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
Nut - why not just fix it so cars can't do more than 80 mph?
You jest.

This morning on a 2 lane stretch of our strategic highway we got to a 50 mph section. Traffic in both lanes flowed freely at steady speed. Returning, after the corresponding limiter became 70, land 1 was steady at around 58 and lane 2 could barely reach 65.

Better a flat 60, both lanes, slower cars and tractors banned at certain times.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 20:26
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More dirty tricks from Ch4, After the recorded anti-Conservative diatribes from Jon Snow and the broadcast comments from their head of news, does anyone believe this wasn’t intentional? Or that the Conservatives weren’t right to refuse to appear on their election broadcast - or cooperate with the rest of the MSM till after the election?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...s-johnson-clip
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 22:42
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https://order-order.com/2019/12/06/y...l-debate-5248/
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 06:48
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Originally Posted by Imagegear View Post
I am not a little intrigued to know where Corbyn's connections are acquiring their "Secret" leaked documents. If it is from a member of the civil service or someone within the conservative party then it just confirms that the organisations have more holes than a Swiss Cheese. On the other hand, if said documents have been lifted via a third country hack and passed back to parties of interest in the UK, should this not warrant an enquiry?

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I quote myself:

Hacked Documents

Obviously the Red Hot Line to Putin's Office is advocating interference in the UK electoral process.

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Old 7th Dec 2019, 07:24
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More dirty tricks from Ch4, After the recorded anti-Conservative diatribes from Jon Snow and the broadcast comments from their head of news, does anyone believe this wasn’t intentional? Or that the Conservatives weren’t right to refuse to appear on their election broadcast - or cooperate with the rest of the MSM till after the election?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...s-johnson-clip
Me.

The current Gov't has been directly responsible for creating and implementing policies which have been shown to be vindictive and flawed in equal measure. The same Gov't has also been responsible for instigating the UK leaving the EU and subsequently failing to create some form of amicable separation instead of which we now have impasse after impasse. thanks to a unique blend of arrogance and incompetency.

In addition to which, we have members of a Gov't, who, despite their veneer are skewed towards populist and even far right political ideologies and for whom leaving the EU represents an unprecedented opportunity to negate the beneficial legislation to protect millions of workers and their families irrespective of their occupations.

There is also the pure naked greed and ambition of Boris, an individual with, possibly, one of the worst political track records allied to his personal indiscretions in the UK's history. The "bumbling buffoon " persona, so assiduously created over time has served his ambitions well, but now, the flaws so long evident to many, are emerging as to what the future will be like should he and his party be elected back into Gov't.

C4 News is a public broadcaster and consequently, exposing the levels of deceit, the false promises, and indeed every facet of Gov't policy that deserves deeper scrutiny is very much in the public interest . The reluctance of members of the Gov't, and the open antagonism towards C4 suggests they are representing the public interest and in a manner that alarms the Gov't to the extent the only course of action and defence of their policies is to adopt the moral cowardice stance and refuse to appear on C4.

Meanwhile, here's Boris promising to waste another £550m.....of taxpayers money. Now I haven't a clue as to what the wages bill of the Premiership and for that matter the Championship clubs is, let alone the sponsorship and marketing deals, but, I would suggest the £550 m could easily be found from the revenue sources mentioned.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50695211

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Old 7th Dec 2019, 09:34
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Obviously the Red Hot Line to Putin's Office is advocating interference in the UK electoral process.
It would seem, on the face of what we read today, that the Red Hot Line must be connected to 10 Downing St (or perhaps the Cabinet Office). For once, Orac will not be able to announce a direct Moscow link to the Labour Party. Again from what we read today, the documents were initially sent to Reddit.
Re the leaked documents themselves, how can Boris stand there and claim the papers were all phoney and the claims contained therein were equally fictitious, when they were being waved in his face? Isn't that a bit like a kid putting 3 fingers over his eyes and saying "I can't see you so you can't see me"?
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