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Old 1st Dec 2019, 19:12
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Really, flyairpt, lots of other countries arenít in the EU. Why do you presume itís because we hate you?? Do Norway and Switzerland hate you?

Strange sources? ..Like Corbynís own words; Do you dispute he invited convicted IRA members to parliament at the height of their bombing (for which he was censured by his own party) praises his ďfriendsĒ in Hamas and Hezbollah and laid wreaths for dead terrorists?

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Old 1st Dec 2019, 19:44
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Really, flyairpt, lots of other countries arenít in the EU. Why do you presume itís because we hate you??


Oh I never said you're leaving because you hate us. Actually, nobody really knows of any rationale why you're leaving ;-)

Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Do Norway and Switzerland hate you?
They are members of the EFTA, have access to the Single Market, Free Trade agreements with the EU, and are members of the Schengen Agreement.
In what way do they relate to the UK and Brexit ?


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Old 1st Dec 2019, 19:59
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Really, flyairpt, lots of other countries arenít in the EU. Why do you presume itís because we hate you??
Perhaps because of the anti-EU bile in this thread and in the EU Hamsterwheel?
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 20:01
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Originally Posted by On the beach View Post
Nothing else matters, until Brexit is sorted

Simples..

Out of interest then a couple of simple questions: what is your definition of Brexit being "sorted", and when do you think that is going to happen?
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 20:03
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Perhaps because of the anti-EU bile in this thread and in the EU Hamsterwheel?
There's a world of difference between despising the EU as an institution and despising the individual countries that make it up.
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 20:24
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Do you dispute he invited convicted IRA members to parliament at the height of their bombing


Not sure whether you are too young or to old to remember, but anything in relation with the Troubles ?
Not sure either if you are the fact-checking type, but just in case :
https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...rthern-ireland
Now, speaking of the present, how do you feel about electing and supporting some womaniser, dishonnest people, involved in hiding information on on-going inquiries on a certain Russian intervention in a certain referendum, or conflict of interests...
But it's your call, sir. Likes attract likes and have them vote in their favour...
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 20:36
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Boris is not to my taste personally as he's actually a liberal Tory. I'd far rather Priti Patel were PM, and that may well come to pass sooner rather than later.

With that said, and whatever Boris' flaws, I can't comprehend anyone voting for a party whose leader openly shared a stage with terrorists on more than one occasion, and who has consistently demonstrated his hatred for our country and support for our enemies throughout his political career.

Where does this anti-semitic accusation come from
Are you just being obtuse?
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 21:00
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
KelvinD; according to Wiki the D-Day Dodgers was originally written by Lance-Sergeant Harry Pynn and the original lyrics didn't mention Astor:

[QUOTE[color=left=#222222]The song was written in November 1944 by Lance-Sergeant Harry Pynn of the Tank Rescue Section, 19 Army Fire Brigade, who was with the 78th Infantry Division just south of Bologna, Italy.=left[1] There were many variations on verses and even the chorus, but the song generally and sarcastically referred to how easy their life in Italy was. There was no mention of Lady Astor in the original lyrics.]
This being derived from:[/QUOTE]

No mention of Astor in the lyrics eh? This is a copy & paste from the very wiki link yoiu posted:
Now Lady Astor, get a load of this.
Don't stand up on a platform and talk a load of piss.
You're the nation's sweetheart, the nation's pride
We think your mouth's too bloody wide.
We are the D-Day Dodgers, in Sunny Italy.
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 21:13
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Originally Posted by On the beach View Post

If Boris delivers on time - hero.
If Boris doesn't - zero.


What time are we talking about ?
Because we've been told the same about the 31st of October (of 2019) and he didn't deliver...
Care to quote a date (and a year), so we can refer to your post when 'the time' comes ?
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 21:33
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post

Out of interest then a couple of simple questions: what is your definition of Brexit being "sorted", and when do you think that is going to happen?
Okay, my personal definition of Brexit being sorted is :- Are we leaving or staying? Yes or No!

I don't really care one way or another, but until we get a resolution one way or the other then the UK is effectively paralysed.
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 21:43
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post

Out of interest then a couple of simple questions: what is your definition of Brexit being "sorted", and when do you think that is going to happen?
When is it going to happen?

Well, the result of the General Election will decide when or if that happens.
All I or anyone who votes can do is register their choice pro or con.
The outcome and when/if it happens is out of my hands.
But if opinion polls are to believed and the Tories win, then I would be surprised if the exit hadn't happened by 31 Jan 2020.
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 22:10
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Originally Posted by flocci_non_faccio View Post
So, as a Conservative Party member, you'd prefer to hand over the reigns to a terrorist sympathising, anti-semitic marxist? Strange set of priorities you have.
Perhaps you should read the whole of a post before making a fatuous comment; Here's the next two sentences;

Marxist Labour is not an option, so it's the Lib-Dems or our local, very good, Independent. Luckily, round here both of those options has a good chance of ousting the Conservative. Labour has no chance of doing that, here; they'll be in 3rd or 4th place.
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 22:37
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Originally Posted by old,not bold View Post
Johnson's inability to grasp that the majority of citizens do not want to "Get Brexit Done" with the dreadful deal the EU told him to sign (BoJo couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag) will, let us pray, catch up with him on 12th December.
This just to say that the EU didn't tell BJ to sign anything. There was already a signed WA.
He insisted that he'd come up with something different, and they've been waiting for weeks and months for something tangible until he came up with that border in the Irish sea (after that laughable double border proposal).
He asked them to sign.

And yes that's the same guy who pretends he'll be able to negotiate the hundreds of deals involved in the Brexit process...

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Old 1st Dec 2019, 22:42
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I would suggest the NHS could find far better ways to spend another £7B.

The scheme is fraught with problems. As well as bikes the6 will have to provide training, helmets, knee pads etc - since any accidents will lead to the ambulance chasers seeking £Ms in compensation payments. I doubt adequate locks will be provided, and most claimants wonít be locations where they can store bikes safely inside s9 theft will be rife; and why worry, just go and get a new prescription, right?

The same will hold for repairs, tyres etc, unless done under the NHS they will be discarded and a new one claimed. I presume all the tens of thousands of workers providing all these services will also need to be NHS, on NHS salaries and pensions.

I fear the inevitable result will be the same as for the free/low rental bike schemes introduced by the Chinese in many cities - piles of discarded bikes in streets and canals, and a large. Umber seems in the streets of Nigeria and The Gambia etc having been shipped out by the container load.





As I seem to recall. ORAC was a fictional creation, a cheap plastic box full of flashing fairy lights. Oh the irony.............
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 05:39
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So thatís it, flyapt a single page ďfact checkĒ erases a political lifetime of criticism and insults to security forces and praise for terrorists? Any suggestion Corbyn acted as he did to try to broker peace is ludicrous. He wanted the IRA to win. Not even necessarily from any conviction of the righteousness of their cause. Just a tool to move us towards his socialist utopia. Much like his ever-changing views onBrexit
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 06:10
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Originally Posted by On the beach View Post


When is it going to happen?

Well, the result of the General Election will decide when or if that happens.
All I or anyone who votes can do is register their choice pro or con.
The outcome and when/if it happens is out of my hands.
But if opinion polls are to believed and the Tories win, then I would be surprised if the exit hadn't happened by 31 Jan 2020.





OK, so are you saying as long as something labelled "Brexit" happens in January you'd regard it as being "sorted"?

What actually would happen is that the UK would then head into the transition period when the next round of negotiations start, during which the UK it is still subject to EU rules but has no say in EU business. That period will not be be over until Dec 20 at the earliest....

I doubt it will be fully "sorted" for years - I'm thinking trade and all the other stuff that then needs to be negotiated, funnily enough I don't believe it for one minute when people claim those deals are "oven" or "microwave ready".

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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 06:32
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And now we have a government promising to "crack down" on immigration, emphasising how, post-Brexit, there will be a ban on criminals from the EU entering the country.
I wonder how that will work? Post-Brexit, the UK will no longer have access to the EU police databases so will the government perhaps have to resort to Mystic Meg and her crystal ball to guess which criminals are about to board a flight from Europe over the coming week?
Shotone:
He wanted the IRA to win.
Looks interesting. Do you have any links etc to show this?
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 06:45
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Roll Up! Roll Up! Today’s Labour election give-away!

One third off all commuter rail fares starting next month!!!!!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-vows-to-cut-commuter-rail-fares-by-a-third-lpk23r6cp

Labour vows to cut commuter rail fares by a third


Jeremy Corbyn will divert money earmarked for building roads to cutting commuter rail fares if Labour wins the general election, the party says.

The Labour leader would cut regulated rail fares by 33 per cent from next month, which Labour estimates will save the average commuter in England more than £1,000 a year.......

In addition to the fare cut, children aged 16 and under would receive free rail travel and part-time workers would be guaranteed to not pay more than people who have weekly season tickets.
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 07:22
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Roll Up! Roll Up! Today’s Labour election give-away!

One third off all commuter rail fares starting next month!!!!!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-vows-to-cut-commuter-rail-fares-by-a-third-lpk23r6cp

Labour vows to cut commuter rail fares by a third


Jeremy Corbyn will divert money earmarked for building roads to cutting commuter rail fares if Labour wins the general election, the party says.

The Labour leader would cut regulated rail fares by 33 per cent from next month, which Labour estimates will save the average commuter in England more than £1,000 a year.......

In addition to the fare cut, children aged 16 and under would receive free rail travel and part-time workers would be guaranteed to not pay more than people who have weekly season tickets.
Ah, but ORAC, and one is surprised you missed this "rather unfortunate" quote from Corbyn about the railways being his favourite way to travel..... because I'm sure everybody remembers one particular journey in this respect.

However, some may also remembers George and how Virgin cattle was most certainly not for George, so obviously you just plonk yourself in Farst and all will be well.....apart from not actually paying for the seat that is......politicians and trains eh ! ........

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20011736

Anyway, here's Boris being true to form........or rather true unto himself.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...attack-cartoon
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 07:35
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Goodness folks! It seems like all the politicians have got Santa's wish list and are sharing out the spoils! Get real all you 'wannabe' PMs!
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