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Old 24th Nov 2019, 10:38
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
If Labour (or any other governing party) went ahead with this I'd be inclined to go to the High Court to demand equality with women - in my case back dated by 3 years!!

I'm sorry, but women demanded "equality", but when they got it they screamed "foul" and "unfair". They either want, or don't want equality. They can't have their" cake and eat it".
Oh absoluterly ! dash it all,. women were always going to be a problem once they gort the vote !.....if only they knew their place and stayed at home doing wimmins domestic stuff !

You didn't write sketches for Harry Enfield by any chance ?

Nearly forgot...todays date is ?......24th November 2019.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 10:51
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Born in 1954, over 40 years NI payments, I would receive the top rate of 31K in pension back payments if they ever implemented this policy.

Most of those who would get the money are middle class and reasonably well off. There are far better ways of spending that sort of money to benefit the poor via other means. It s a just a massive election bribe at trying to pick up some of the 3 million votes of those who would win out.

Still zero chance of me voting Labour.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 11:02
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Born in 1954, over 40 years NI payments, I would receive the top rate of 31K in pension back payments if they ever implemented this policy.

Most of those who would get the money are middle class and reasonably well off. There are far better ways of spending that sort of money to benefit the poor via other means. It s a just a massive election bribe at trying to pick up some of the 3 million votes of those who would win out.

Still zero chance of me voting Labour.
ORAC...what you needs is a financial advisor.... such as myself for example. Clearly, if you don't want or need the 31k I have a number of schemes available that would allow you to salve your conscience whilst making a donation to a worthy charitable cause........moi. ( and I solemnly promise I won't donate a penny to the Labour party )

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Old 24th Nov 2019, 11:50
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Oh absoluterly ! dash it all,. women were always going to be a problem once they gort the vote !.....if only they knew their place and stayed at home doing wimmins domestic stuff !

You didn't write sketches for Harry Enfield by any chance ?

Nearly forgot...todays date is ?......24th November 2019.
What is your problem with equality? I get my state pension at 66, my wife gets her state pension at 66. What's not to like? I get my state pension at 66, my wife gets it at 60; equality? I don't think so.

Do I get the impression that this is only a sensible policy because Labour have proposed it? I've got a feeling that had Johnson come up with it your response might have been a tad different.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 13:20
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Originally Posted by 57mm View Post
Interesting that the former head of MI5 sees Jeremy Corbin as a security risk, given that the late Denis Healey, Labour Minister of Defence was a member of the Communist party........
No he wasn't. He was a former card carrying member of the Communist party. Interestingly, like Corbyn, he has said he would not have pressed the nuclear trigger. While he was the Minister of Defence for 5 years I am not sure if he was actually in the chain of command. At the time I believed the Chain of Command was PM to CinC Bomber Command. The deterrent was vulnerable in the ground and seconds counted.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 13:53
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Just spoke with a 64 year old lady of my aquaintence. She was previously very anti Corbyn. She tells me that she is voting Labour! On the subject of the SNP I think that they can probably rely on the support of a lot of English based Remainers who might be offered a Scottish passport that would give them many of the current advantages of EU members. Of course they would arguably pay their taxes to Edinburgh regardless of where they live. I will be watching for that one.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 14:33
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It was interesting to note that Sir Richard Dearlove's rant (where do they get these names!) included remarks to the effect of it being no good Corbyn, Milne & A.N. Other having had a change of heart over their past political foibles; the stain should remain and therefore they are not to be considered fit to hold office. I wonder if that logic applies equally to members of other parties?
ATNotts: Re your earlier post regarding nationalising industries being a major EU No-No; I too have always been under that impression. So, this morning I did a bit of delving and it seems more industries get a free pass to go ahead with State ownership etc. than I previously thought. With a view of transport, I think we all know there may be one or two rail operating companies in the UK that are not State owned. Of course, the State ownership has nothing to do with UK but the likes of Deutsche Bahn, Nederlandse Spoorweg, SNCF etc. Not to mention Portuguese and Spanish railways. France was not long ago given the blessing of the EU to take over STX shipyards.
And of course there are the water companies, many of these are owned by foreign government investment funds.
And don't mention the electricity companies!
As for National Grid and SSE packing their bags and removing themselves from the UK; I would love to see a Labour government go for those first, without compensation. In the case of SSE, it may be academic anyway with Ovo having agreed to take over all of their retail customers either this year or next.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 14:50
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
If Labour (or any other governing party) went ahead with this I'd be inclined to go to the High Court to demand equality with women - in my case back dated by 3 years!!

I'm sorry, but women demanded "equality", but when they got it they screamed "foul" and "unfair". They either want, or don't want equality. They can't have their" cake and eat it".
Well on the basis of the above, I don't think it's me that has a problem with equality.......

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Old 24th Nov 2019, 14:58
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
t regarding nationalising industries being a major EU No-No; I too have always been under that impression. So, this morning I did a bit of delving and it seems more industries get a free pass to go ahead with State ownership etc. than I previously thought.
Great message KelvinD ! Nothing better than fact checking.
Actually there is nothing in the EU rules that prevents a member-state from being intelligently managed. And unfortunately, not much preventing a country from getting itself the worst possible leaders...


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Old 24th Nov 2019, 15:33
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Kelvin, I reacr, in today's paper I think, the State ownership is a one way street. If the State owns the railway that is fine. If the railway is privately owned it can't be taken into State ownership.

whether that is true I don't know.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 15:55
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Kelvin, I reacr, in today's paper I think, the State ownership is a one way street. If the State owns the railway that is fine. If the railway is privately owned it can't be taken into State ownership.
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What was possible in another country can be done in the UK if it so chooses.

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Old 24th Nov 2019, 16:37
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Problem seems to be compensation rules and the competition rules.

https://www.ft.com/content/c00d8684-...d-7c18c0ea0201
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 16:54
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Well now, on the topic of fact checking, I have just been doing a little more.
This morning, Sajid Javid said on TV Chancellor Sajid Javid has said the Conservative manifesto would come with the “most transparent” explanation of how the policies would be paid for ever seen in “British electoral history”.
Well, I have checked the manifesto and there is nothing there that refers to "Please see accompanying paper XXX for full costings" (or words to that effect). I have a suspicion that, by the end of the day, Mr Javid is going to look a tad foolish. Still, he does have 7 more hours yet before this day is out and as he said the costings will published "alongside" the manifesto, I wouldn't expect that to mean tomorrow, next week, next Preston Guild etc. So let's see.
Meanwhile the manifesto is perpetuating government oven ready lies, in particular the ones about whole squadrons of new hospitals being built. Apparently, giving money to an NHS authority to prepare feasibility studies, outline plans, wish list etc constitutes "building new hospitals". No it doesn't!
As for the manifesto itself, it seems to me to be more Pfeffel Waffle and should come with a health warning "Contains huge doses of Jam today and even more Jam tomorrow".
One other item that jumps out from the acres of happy smiling candidate photos is the admission that the Fixed Term Parliament Act is to go. It isn't working.
Finally, did anybody watch Dominic Cummings admitting the Tory Party don't care about either poor people or the NHS?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ple-or-the-nhs
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 17:07
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Problem seems to be compensation rules and the competition rules.

https://www.ft.com/content/c00d8684-...d-7c18c0ea0201
As the linked article is behind a paywall, would it be possible to have a substantial excerpt here ?
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 17:21
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Rather (very) late to the party but ....

I get my state pension at 66, my wife gets her state pension at 66. What's not to like? I get my state pension at 66, my wife gets it at 60; equality? I don't think so.
Lucky you .... in the past it was certainly 65 pensionable age for gents and 60 for ladies ... but now it's at least 66 or 67 for ladies, although gents get it at 65. Is this just moving with the times or have HMGov Finance Department run out of cash?
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 17:33
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Fly Airprt; the problem arises from the UK having the only non-state owned railway system in Europe. The Fourth Rail Package now seems to be forcing at least partial privatisation on EU state owned railways to provide an incentive to improve services/reduce costs.

Judging from this article it's more likely that there would be consequences for re-nationalisation plans from the WTO than the EU.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 17:35
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Finally, did anybody watch Dominic Cummings admitting the Tory Party don't care about either poor people or the NHS?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ple-or-the-nhs
About 2 years ago? He's being paid to say other things now. So all ok then.

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Old 24th Nov 2019, 17:39
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Originally Posted by Alsacienne View Post
or have HMGov Finance Department run out of cash?
Out of cash ?
Just get Brexit done, and behold ! Tons of cash pouring into the UK.

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Old 24th Nov 2019, 19:23
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Originally Posted by Alsacienne View Post
Rather (very) late to the party but ....



Lucky you .... in the past it was certainly 65 pensionable age for gents and 60 for ladies ... but now it's at least 66 or 67 for ladies, although gents get it at 65. Is this just moving with the times or have HMGov Finance Department run out of cash?
I think you will find that male and female get their state pension at the same age. It all depends on your date of birth.

https://www.gov.uk/state-pension-age
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 19:24
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Worrying lack of concern shown here in respect of Dearlove's interventions ... plural, since he did the same in the '17 run-up. We appear to accept with equanimity the intereference by people using uncheckable inferences derived, possibly, from Public Service. The Security Services reputation is not sufficiently unblemished as to indicate impartiality. Interventions such as this ought to raise worries as to the undocumented activities of these areas of Government - have the lessons offered by Wikileaks et al been forgotten already?
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