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Old 24th Nov 2019, 12:53
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Just spoke with a 64 year old lady of my aquaintence. She was previously very anti Corbyn. She tells me that she is voting Labour! On the subject of the SNP I think that they can probably rely on the support of a lot of English based Remainers who might be offered a Scottish passport that would give them many of the current advantages of EU members. Of course they would arguably pay their taxes to Edinburgh regardless of where they live. I will be watching for that one.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 13:33
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It was interesting to note that Sir Richard Dearlove's rant (where do they get these names!) included remarks to the effect of it being no good Corbyn, Milne & A.N. Other having had a change of heart over their past political foibles; the stain should remain and therefore they are not to be considered fit to hold office. I wonder if that logic applies equally to members of other parties?
ATNotts: Re your earlier post regarding nationalising industries being a major EU No-No; I too have always been under that impression. So, this morning I did a bit of delving and it seems more industries get a free pass to go ahead with State ownership etc. than I previously thought. With a view of transport, I think we all know there may be one or two rail operating companies in the UK that are not State owned. Of course, the State ownership has nothing to do with UK but the likes of Deutsche Bahn, Nederlandse Spoorweg, SNCF etc. Not to mention Portuguese and Spanish railways. France was not long ago given the blessing of the EU to take over STX shipyards.
And of course there are the water companies, many of these are owned by foreign government investment funds.
And don't mention the electricity companies!
As for National Grid and SSE packing their bags and removing themselves from the UK; I would love to see a Labour government go for those first, without compensation. In the case of SSE, it may be academic anyway with Ovo having agreed to take over all of their retail customers either this year or next.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 13:50
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If Labour (or any other governing party) went ahead with this I'd be inclined to go to the High Court to demand equality with women - in my case back dated by 3 years!!

I'm sorry, but women demanded "equality", but when they got it they screamed "foul" and "unfair". They either want, or don't want equality. They can't have their" cake and eat it".
Well on the basis of the above, I don't think it's me that has a problem with equality.......

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Old 24th Nov 2019, 13:58
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
t regarding nationalising industries being a major EU No-No; I too have always been under that impression. So, this morning I did a bit of delving and it seems more industries get a free pass to go ahead with State ownership etc. than I previously thought.
Great message KelvinD ! Nothing better than fact checking.
Actually there is nothing in the EU rules that prevents a member-state from being intelligently managed. And unfortunately, not much preventing a country from getting itself the worst possible leaders...


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Old 24th Nov 2019, 14:33
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Kelvin, I reacr, in today's paper I think, the State ownership is a one way street. If the State owns the railway that is fine. If the railway is privately owned it can't be taken into State ownership.

whether that is true I don't know.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 14:55
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Kelvin, I reacr, in today's paper I think, the State ownership is a one way street. If the State owns the railway that is fine. If the railway is privately owned it can't be taken into State ownership.
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What was possible in another country can be done in the UK if it so chooses.

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Old 24th Nov 2019, 15:37
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Problem seems to be compensation rules and the competition rules.

https://www.ft.com/content/c00d8684-...d-7c18c0ea0201
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 15:54
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Well now, on the topic of fact checking, I have just been doing a little more.
This morning, Sajid Javid said on TV Chancellor Sajid Javid has said the Conservative manifesto would come with the “most transparent” explanation of how the policies would be paid for ever seen in “British electoral history”.
Well, I have checked the manifesto and there is nothing there that refers to "Please see accompanying paper XXX for full costings" (or words to that effect). I have a suspicion that, by the end of the day, Mr Javid is going to look a tad foolish. Still, he does have 7 more hours yet before this day is out and as he said the costings will published "alongside" the manifesto, I wouldn't expect that to mean tomorrow, next week, next Preston Guild etc. So let's see.
Meanwhile the manifesto is perpetuating government oven ready lies, in particular the ones about whole squadrons of new hospitals being built. Apparently, giving money to an NHS authority to prepare feasibility studies, outline plans, wish list etc constitutes "building new hospitals". No it doesn't!
As for the manifesto itself, it seems to me to be more Pfeffel Waffle and should come with a health warning "Contains huge doses of Jam today and even more Jam tomorrow".
One other item that jumps out from the acres of happy smiling candidate photos is the admission that the Fixed Term Parliament Act is to go. It isn't working.
Finally, did anybody watch Dominic Cummings admitting the Tory Party don't care about either poor people or the NHS?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ple-or-the-nhs
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 16:07
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Problem seems to be compensation rules and the competition rules.

https://www.ft.com/content/c00d8684-...d-7c18c0ea0201
As the linked article is behind a paywall, would it be possible to have a substantial excerpt here ?
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 16:21
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Rather (very) late to the party but ....

I get my state pension at 66, my wife gets her state pension at 66. What's not to like? I get my state pension at 66, my wife gets it at 60; equality? I don't think so.
Lucky you .... in the past it was certainly 65 pensionable age for gents and 60 for ladies ... but now it's at least 66 or 67 for ladies, although gents get it at 65. Is this just moving with the times or have HMGov Finance Department run out of cash?
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 16:33
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Fly Airprt; the problem arises from the UK having the only non-state owned railway system in Europe. The Fourth Rail Package now seems to be forcing at least partial privatisation on EU state owned railways to provide an incentive to improve services/reduce costs.

Judging from this article it's more likely that there would be consequences for re-nationalisation plans from the WTO than the EU.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 16:35
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Finally, did anybody watch Dominic Cummings admitting the Tory Party don't care about either poor people or the NHS?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ple-or-the-nhs
About 2 years ago? He's being paid to say other things now. So all ok then.

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Old 24th Nov 2019, 16:39
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Originally Posted by Alsacienne View Post
or have HMGov Finance Department run out of cash?
Out of cash ?
Just get Brexit done, and behold ! Tons of cash pouring into the UK.

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Old 24th Nov 2019, 18:23
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Originally Posted by Alsacienne View Post
Rather (very) late to the party but ....



Lucky you .... in the past it was certainly 65 pensionable age for gents and 60 for ladies ... but now it's at least 66 or 67 for ladies, although gents get it at 65. Is this just moving with the times or have HMGov Finance Department run out of cash?
I think you will find that male and female get their state pension at the same age. It all depends on your date of birth.

https://www.gov.uk/state-pension-age
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 18:24
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Worrying lack of concern shown here in respect of Dearlove's interventions ... plural, since he did the same in the '17 run-up. We appear to accept with equanimity the intereference by people using uncheckable inferences derived, possibly, from Public Service. The Security Services reputation is not sufficiently unblemished as to indicate impartiality. Interventions such as this ought to raise worries as to the undocumented activities of these areas of Government - have the lessons offered by Wikileaks et al been forgotten already?
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 19:04
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
Fly Airprt; the problem arises from the UK having the only non-state owned railway system in Europe. The Fourth Rail Package now seems to be forcing at least partial privatisation on EU state owned railways to provide an incentive to improve services/reduce costs.

Judging from this article it's more likely that there would be consequences for re-nationalisation plans from the WTO than the EU.
Thank you for the info LowNSlow.

Railway things are a bit complicated, and though my country has a national railway company, not sure what would be best.
As with the majority of problems in the UK, the EU has nothing to do with your difficulties, which are your own doing.

There is so much to do that leaving the EU should be the least of your problems. First things first, take care of the NHS, education, transport, political system, and only then, if you still feel like it, consider your position vis a vis the Union.

This Brexit affair really comes up at the wrong moment, and you may very well end trying to survive instead of performing the needed reforms.
And electing "brexit done" people instead of serious and capable leaders to take care of real problems.




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Old 24th Nov 2019, 19:48
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This morning, Sajid Javid said on TV Chancellor Sajid Javid has said the Conservative manifesto would come with the “most transparent” explanation of how the policies would be paid for ever seen in “British electoral history”.
Well, I have checked the manifesto and there is nothing there that refers to "Please see accompanying paper XXX for full costings" (or words to that effect). I have a suspicion that, by the end of the day, Mr Javid is going to look a tad foolish. Still, he does have 7 more hours yet before this day is out and as he said the costings will published "alongside" the manifesto, I wouldn't expect that to mean tomorrow, next week, next Preston Guild etc. So let's see.
Conservative Manifesto Costings Document.....

https://order-order.com/2019/11/24/t...ings-document/
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 20:54
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8 pages of which a large amount is footnotes. Very thin on detail. Sir Humphrey would be proud.

i can’t believe people actually still buy the BS fed to them on a daily basis by the Tories. Im no great fan of labour but this constant “but Jeremy Corbyn” ignoring the fact that Britain has had the 3 worst prime ministers in modern history one after the other, all 3 of which put themselves and their party ahead of the interests of the nation.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 21:46
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Fly Airprt; the problem arises from the UK having the only non-state owned railway system in Europe. The Fourth Rail Package now seems to be forcing at least partial privatisation on EU state owned railways to provide an incentive to improve services/reduce costs.
I have to disagree with the first sentence. The railway system in UK is surely provided by Network Rail and that is government owned. I realise that if you take the meaning of rail system to include the whole shooting match from rails, through signalling, rolling stock etc, that would put a different spin on it. However, in the case of European rail networks it is their equivalent of Network Rail that is state owned, with some private companies running trains over those systems. Using that yard stick, I would say our rail system is state owned. However, the major difference between UK and Europe is that 90% of our train operating companies are state owned. The problem is the state concerned is not the British one.
The Fourth Rail Package is a complex issue and I was wading through that this morning and by the end of it, I wasn't sure I was any the wiser!
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 21:49
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Conservative Manifesto Costings Document.....

https://order-order.com/2019/11/24/t...ings-document/
If all this new spending without additional taxation is possible, why hasn't it been done already?
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