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Old 24th Nov 2019, 05:13
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Select trio of personal choice for analogy.......

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...voters-cartoon

However, this is of far greater significance . This actually affects 50 % of my management team, the other 50%, our dog, is not yet old enough to qualify and it was noticeable that Boris was a bit caught out when the little matter was raised recently.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50534118

" The prime minister said: "I do sympathise deeply with the Waspi women... but it is very expensive to come up with the solution you want.

"I cannot promise I can magic up that money for you," he added
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Of course it is Boris, and jolly inconvenient as well, even more so when you've already chucked a few £bn at various promises and something beginning with "B ".....

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Old 24th Nov 2019, 08:35
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Once politicians treated voters as adults, now they are contemptuous
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 08:46
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An interesting new Labour policy KnC.

Thought up on the hoof within 24 hours of the debate, additional current spending in excess of £58B which is not covered by the “detailed “ financial costings in the Labour manifesto issued only days before.

Still, a £Trillion here or there, what’s an extra £58B.

p.s., I note the major utility companies are moving their financial bases overseas outside the nationalisation clutches of McDonald without full compensation.....

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...ches-ms6jbhvlw

Power giants National Grid and SSE go offshore to escape Jeremy Corbyn’s clutches

The two leading power companies have quietly shifted ownership of their British operations into offshore companies to protect against Jeremy Corbyn’s threat of cut-price nationalisation, The Sunday Times can reveal. National Grid and SSE, which together own Britain’s entire gas and electricity transmission spine, this weekend confirmed they had created overseas holding companies in recent months to seek shelter from Labour’s renationalisation agenda. SSE has put its UK business into a new Swiss holding company; National Grid has shifted its gas and electricity businesses into new subsidiaries in Luxembourg and Hong Kong......

Water companies that have already created overseas holding companies include Anglian and Yorkshire. Severn Trent is contemplating a similar move.......

The moves are designed to build defences against Labour’s sweeping renationalisation plans. Switzerland, Luxembourg and Hong Kong have “bilateral investment treaties” with the UK that ensure investors are paid properly in the event of any state asset grab........

SSE, which has a market value of £13.6bn, confirmed it had moved its electricity distribution business — which supplies 3.7m homes in northern Scotland and southern England — plus its high-voltage electricity transmission network in Scotland to a Swiss holding company. “SSE has incorporated in Switzerland a direct and wholly owned subsidiary company to acquire, oversee and hold investments or other financial assets,” it said. “The company has become the holding company for SSE’s electricity transmission and distribution networks through a share-for-share exchange. This is intended to support long-term investment in low-carbon infrastructure in SSE’s core businesses.”

National Grid, which is worth £31bn, connects England and Wales’s regional power companies with big power stations via almost 6,000 miles of power cables. It also owns the main gas transmission pipelines. “Labour’s proposals for state ownership of National Grid would be highly detrimental to millions of ordinary people who either hold shares in the company or through their pension funds — which include several local authority pension funds,” it said. “To protect their holdings, and in line with our legal fiduciary duty to our shareholders, we have established holding companies in Luxembourg and Hong Kong. This has no financial benefit to the company and does not affect its day-to-day operations. It is solely to protect our shareholders’ interests.”......
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 08:50
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Interesting that the former head of MI5 sees Jeremy Corbin as a security risk, given that the late Denis Healey, Labour Minister of Defence was a member of the Communist party........
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 08:51
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EU clutches, Corbyn's clutches...
Lots of clutches I'd say...
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 09:01
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Originally Posted by 57mm View Post
Interesting that the former head of MI5 sees Jeremy Corbin as a security risk, given that the late Denis Healey, Labour Minister of Defence was a member of the Communist party........
Unlike say, perhaps Boris for example ?

https://www.businessinsider.com/bori...19-7?r=US&IR=T

" An interesting new Labour policy KnC.

Thought up on the hoof within 24 hours of the debate
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Tsk ! ORAC tsk !..possibly a hint of churlishness here ?.......on one hand, it could well be one of those "keep in reserve until required " policies or, as you say, it could well be a thunk on the hoof moment......in keeping with all the parties who have been saying the first thing that comes to mind....as they do in GE campaigns.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 09:04
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He was not.
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What I would like to know is why was wee krankie on Question Time, this is a Parliamentary election debate, so surely the head of the SNP in Parliament Ian Blackford should have been on the show
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 09:11
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He was not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis

”......Also while at Oxford, Healey joined the Communist Party in 1937 during the Great Purge, but left in 1940 after the Fall of France.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 09:20
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What I would like to know is why was wee krankie on Question Time, this is a Parliamentary election debate, so surely the head of the SNP in Parliament Ian Blackford should have been on the show
I think the SNP are missing a trick by not standing in England, they would get my vote and if enough people in England voted for them they'd be gone from Westminster and the UK before the next election. Win win all round.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 09:20
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An interesting new Labour policy KnC.

Thought up on the hoof within 24 hours of the debate, additional current spending in excess of £58B which is not covered by the “detailed “ financial costings in the Labour manifesto issued only days before.

Still, a £Trillion here or there, what’s an extra £58B.
If Labour (or any other governing party) went ahead with this I'd be inclined to go to the High Court to demand equality with women - in my case back dated by 3 years!!

I'm sorry, but women demanded "equality", but when they got it they screamed "foul" and "unfair". They either want, or don't want equality. They can't have their" cake and eat it".
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Quite right. My apologies - I wrongly assumed that you inferred he was a member whilst serving as Defence Minister.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 09:34
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Given that whoever is Prime Minister will have to act in the interests of the population who voted.
Perhaps you should bang the drum to make voting compulsory,and a box on the ballot paper for 'None of the above'.
Maybe then you will get closer to a 100% turnout,and a true reflection of how the electorate feel......
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
If Labour (or any other governing party) went ahead with this I'd be inclined to go to the High Court to demand equality with women - in my case back dated by 3 years!!

I'm sorry, but women demanded "equality", but when they got it they screamed "foul" and "unfair". They either want, or don't want equality. They can't have their" cake and eat it".
Oh absoluterly ! dash it all,. women were always going to be a problem once they gort the vote !.....if only they knew their place and stayed at home doing wimmins domestic stuff !

You didn't write sketches for Harry Enfield by any chance ?

Nearly forgot...todays date is ?......24th November 2019.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 09:51
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Born in 1954, over 40 years NI payments, I would receive the top rate of £31K in pension back payments if they ever implemented this policy.

Most of those who would get the money are middle class and reasonably well off. There are far better ways of spending that sort of money to benefit the poor via other means. It s a just a massive election bribe at trying to pick up some of the 3 million votes of those who would win out.

Still zero chance of me voting Labour.
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Born in 1954, over 40 years NI payments, I would receive the top rate of £31K in pension back payments if they ever implemented this policy.

Most of those who would get the money are middle class and reasonably well off. There are far better ways of spending that sort of money to benefit the poor via other means. It s a just a massive election bribe at trying to pick up some of the 3 million votes of those who would win out.

Still zero chance of me voting Labour.
ORAC...what you needs is a financial advisor.... such as myself for example. Clearly, if you don't want or need the £31k I have a number of schemes available that would allow you to salve your conscience whilst making a donation to a worthy charitable cause........moi. ( and I solemnly promise I won't donate a penny to the Labour party )

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Oh absoluterly ! dash it all,. women were always going to be a problem once they gort the vote !.....if only they knew their place and stayed at home doing wimmins domestic stuff !

You didn't write sketches for Harry Enfield by any chance ?

Nearly forgot...todays date is ?......24th November 2019.
What is your problem with equality? I get my state pension at 66, my wife gets her state pension at 66. What's not to like? I get my state pension at 66, my wife gets it at 60; equality? I don't think so.

Do I get the impression that this is only a sensible policy because Labour have proposed it? I've got a feeling that had Johnson come up with it your response might have been a tad different.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 12:20
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Interesting that the former head of MI5 sees Jeremy Corbin as a security risk, given that the late Denis Healey, Labour Minister of Defence was a member of the Communist party........
No he wasn't. He was a former card carrying member of the Communist party. Interestingly, like Corbyn, he has said he would not have pressed the nuclear trigger. While he was the Minister of Defence for 5 years I am not sure if he was actually in the chain of command. At the time I believed the Chain of Command was PM to CinC Bomber Command. The deterrent was vulnerable in the ground and seconds counted.
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