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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 21:48
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post
Donít think that link entirely supports your position. Seems to have been the case that Wilson was clear (at least with Hattersley) that Britain should stay in the EU, but he didnít actively campaign publicly for it. As such while the gentleman on Question Time might have been making a claim that was debatable, to characterise it as a false claim and the man a liar is wide of the mark, and in fact is yet another symptom of the intolerant vicious nature of British politics currently, perpetuated by such as yourself.
Well said, Curious Pax I too have just read the comment from Roy Hattersley, entirely in line with what you say.
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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 21:50
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Given that whoever is Prime Minister will have to act in the interests of both the minority of the population who voted to leave and the majority, perhaps ORAC would enlighten us as to how this could be accomplished without bias? Alternatively, if he feels that unthinking, single mindedness is appropriate, could he explain Johnson's admitted difficulty in selecting career advancement as his preferred choice - and, similarly, the 'fully thought-through' volte-face of the Maybot? Unfortunately there may well not be a convenient cut-and-paste reference for this, so it might require a little original thought.
Would certainly not vote for Corbyn but I prefer his even-handed intention to the juvenile, Blue Peter referenced antics of Johnson. Most strongly in memory is the response of one of Johnson's Uxbridge 'lady' constituents, when the Beeb attempted to 'vox-pop intertview' her - "that disgusting piece of toe-rag". Possibly not a candidate for ORAC's cut-and-paste album.
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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 22:05
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The electorate, reportedly, would seem to disagree....
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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 22:11
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Well, look at that! 10 minutes after I wrote about the stupidity of the phrase "Get Brexit Done", along comes Boris and gets right back into it.
A headline on the BBC web site just appeared "Tories to launch manifesto 'To get Brexit done'". Is Boris a secret reader of these pages?
No! I know! ORAC you are really Boris, aren't you? And I claim my Crackerjack pencil and 5 shilling postal order for working that out!
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Old 23rd Nov 2019, 22:55
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The electorate, reportedly, would seem to disagree....
It would appear that one of the major disadvantages of rural existence is the lack of up-to-date NEWS! There was silly old me being lead to believe that there WOULD BE a General Election in early December (vouchsafed by that committed purveyor of truth and honesty, Johnson) when all along it's been done and dusted and ORAC (who else?) has the result! Just goes to show, I suppose, that you can't even trust someone as wedded to the truth as our recently installed PM! I am becoming seriously concerned over the verity, or otherwise, of a legendary giver of presents, rumoured to be amongst us soon!
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 06:13
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Select trio of personal choice for analogy.......

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...voters-cartoon

However, this is of far greater significance . This actually affects 50 % of my management team, the other 50%, our dog, is not yet old enough to qualify and it was noticeable that Boris was a bit caught out when the little matter was raised recently.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50534118

" The prime minister said: "I do sympathise deeply with the Waspi women... but it is very expensive to come up with the solution you want.

"I cannot promise I can magic up that money for you," he added
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Of course it is Boris, and jolly inconvenient as well, even more so when you've already chucked a few £bn at various promises and something beginning with "B ".....

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Old 24th Nov 2019, 09:35
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Once politicians treated voters as adults, now they are contemptuous
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 09:46
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An interesting new Labour policy KnC.

Thought up on the hoof within 24 hours of the debate, additional current spending in excess of £58B which is not covered by the “detailed “ financial costings in the Labour manifesto issued only days before.

Still, a £Trillion here or there, what’s an extra £58B.

p.s., I note the major utility companies are moving their financial bases overseas outside the nationalisation clutches of McDonald without full compensation.....

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...ches-ms6jbhvlw

Power giants National Grid and SSE go offshore to escape Jeremy Corbyn’s clutches

The two leading power companies have quietly shifted ownership of their British operations into offshore companies to protect against Jeremy Corbyn’s threat of cut-price nationalisation, The Sunday Times can reveal. National Grid and SSE, which together own Britain’s entire gas and electricity transmission spine, this weekend confirmed they had created overseas holding companies in recent months to seek shelter from Labour’s renationalisation agenda. SSE has put its UK business into a new Swiss holding company; National Grid has shifted its gas and electricity businesses into new subsidiaries in Luxembourg and Hong Kong......

Water companies that have already created overseas holding companies include Anglian and Yorkshire. Severn Trent is contemplating a similar move.......

The moves are designed to build defences against Labour’s sweeping renationalisation plans. Switzerland, Luxembourg and Hong Kong have “bilateral investment treaties” with the UK that ensure investors are paid properly in the event of any state asset grab........

SSE, which has a market value of £13.6bn, confirmed it had moved its electricity distribution business — which supplies 3.7m homes in northern Scotland and southern England — plus its high-voltage electricity transmission network in Scotland to a Swiss holding company. “SSE has incorporated in Switzerland a direct and wholly owned subsidiary company to acquire, oversee and hold investments or other financial assets,” it said. “The company has become the holding company for SSE’s electricity transmission and distribution networks through a share-for-share exchange. This is intended to support long-term investment in low-carbon infrastructure in SSE’s core businesses.”

National Grid, which is worth £31bn, connects England and Wales’s regional power companies with big power stations via almost 6,000 miles of power cables. It also owns the main gas transmission pipelines. “Labour’s proposals for state ownership of National Grid would be highly detrimental to millions of ordinary people who either hold shares in the company or through their pension funds — which include several local authority pension funds,” it said. “To protect their holdings, and in line with our legal fiduciary duty to our shareholders, we have established holding companies in Luxembourg and Hong Kong. This has no financial benefit to the company and does not affect its day-to-day operations. It is solely to protect our shareholders’ interests.”......
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 09:50
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Interesting that the former head of MI5 sees Jeremy Corbin as a security risk, given that the late Denis Healey, Labour Minister of Defence was a member of the Communist party........
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 09:51
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EU clutches, Corbyn's clutches...
Lots of clutches I'd say...
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 10:01
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Interesting that the former head of MI5 sees Jeremy Corbin as a security risk, given that the late Denis Healey, Labour Minister of Defence was a member of the Communist party........
Unlike say, perhaps Boris for example ?

https://www.businessinsider.com/bori...19-7?r=US&IR=T

" An interesting new Labour policy KnC.

Thought up on the hoof within 24 hours of the debate
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Tsk ! ORAC tsk !..possibly a hint of churlishness here ?.......on one hand, it could well be one of those "keep in reserve until required " policies or, as you say, it could well be a thunk on the hoof moment......in keeping with all the parties who have been saying the first thing that comes to mind....as they do in GE campaigns.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 10:04
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57mm,
He was not.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 10:08
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What I would like to know is why was wee krankie on Question Time, this is a Parliamentary election debate, so surely the head of the SNP in Parliament Ian Blackford should have been on the show
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 10:10
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...int/ar-BBXcR21
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 10:11
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57mm,
He was not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis

”......Also while at Oxford, Healey joined the Communist Party in 1937 during the Great Purge, but left in 1940 after the Fall of France.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 10:12
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 10:20
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What I would like to know is why was wee krankie on Question Time, this is a Parliamentary election debate, so surely the head of the SNP in Parliament Ian Blackford should have been on the show
I think the SNP are missing a trick by not standing in England, they would get my vote and if enough people in England voted for them they'd be gone from Westminster and the UK before the next election. Win win all round.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 10:20
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An interesting new Labour policy KnC.

Thought up on the hoof within 24 hours of the debate, additional current spending in excess of £58B which is not covered by the ďdetailed ď financial costings in the Labour manifesto issued only days before.

Still, a £Trillion here or there, whatís an extra £58B.
If Labour (or any other governing party) went ahead with this I'd be inclined to go to the High Court to demand equality with women - in my case back dated by 3 years!!

I'm sorry, but women demanded "equality", but when they got it they screamed "foul" and "unfair". They either want, or don't want equality. They can't have their" cake and eat it".
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 10:27
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ORAC,
Quite right. My apologies - I wrongly assumed that you inferred he was a member whilst serving as Defence Minister.
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Old 24th Nov 2019, 10:34
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
Given that whoever is Prime Minister will have to act in the interests of the population who voted.
Perhaps you should bang the drum to make voting compulsory,and a box on the ballot paper for 'None of the above'.
Maybe then you will get closer to a 100% turnout,and a true reflection of how the electorate feel......
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