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Old 21st Nov 2019, 08:57
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Originally Posted by ThorMos View Post
The more i learn about the UK version of democracy, the more i think it is a joke and way beyond its sell-by date.
What a farce, members of parliament should only be commited to their constituency and their conscience, not any party line or politics.
Gordon Brown tried that with a Government of all the Talents.

Before that the Americans tried it with the losing presidential candidate becoming the Vice.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 09:30
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“...not committed to any party line or politics”? Eh ? :candidates state their party line and politics then we decide whether or not to vote for them. Isn’t that how it works?
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 10:18
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
“...not committed to any party line or politics”? Eh ? :candidates state their party line and politics then we decide whether or not to vote for them. Isn’t that how it works?
not in a democracy, no. What you describe is similar to the chinese system...
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 12:20
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Well it's ermmm out



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Old 21st Nov 2019, 13:08
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
It cannot change while Westminster is still inhabited by the current muppets, so how could the population force a change
People are not obliged to vote Tory or Labour.

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Old 21st Nov 2019, 13:08
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A windfall tax on the oil industry.

Wasn't that done in Venezuela?
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 13:32
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
People are not obliged to vote Tory or Labour.
Agree, but I cannot see any party getting an agreement to change things through the Westminster lot anytime soon, and that is regardless of whether the other parties can get into power or not.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 14:02
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Things we never knew about Boris !...until now that is.

Hidden in the shadows it seems has been his overseeing of major infrastructure projects . Now, and here the fabled JB font of all knowledge may come in useful, as I could be wrong, the only two such large scale projects that spring to mind were ( a ) an airport and (b ) a bridge....neither of which actually got built.

On the other hand, we can only imagine the whoops of joy from those whose properties and land was subjected to compulsory purchase orders for the greater good of the nation.!....or the already well over budget and doubtless destined to continue on the same track HS2 vanity project. Cancelling now would, as many have pointed out, be acutely embarrassing for the Gov't due to the expenditure so far.

.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50497382
Who would have thought the HS2 vanity project was instigated by a Labour Government. Some legacy.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 14:47
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
Agree, but I cannot see any party getting an agreement to change things through the Westminster lot anytime soon, and that is regardless of whether the other parties can get into power or not.
Of course, with Tory and Labour dominating the political landscape, no incentive to change.
Now let's suppose people massively vote for "other" candidates, and general opinion strongly expresses a desire for changes.
Or people even demonstrate for that...
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 15:16
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Of course, with Tory and Labour dominating the political landscape, no incentive to change.
Now let's suppose people massively vote for "other" candidates, and general opinion strongly expresses a desire for changes.
Or people even demonstrate for that...
Again I agree, anything is feasible, although at this moment in time I do not think the public have the appetite to go for such change in the way the country is governed yet, as they still have that other issue to resolve.

As has been seen over the last three odd years of general opinion strongly expressing a desire for change and people demonstrating has not had any affect on Westminster or achieved the changes voted for.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 16:22
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I must admit I am inclined to agree, especially where the members of the ERG are concerned and one or two others that have been less than honest in their support of their PM over the last three odd years.
I assume that you include Boris in that group? He didn’t show much loyalty to his PM did he? Now he demands it......
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 17:53
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
As has been seen over the last three odd years of general opinion strongly expressing a desire for change and people demonstrating has not had any affect on Westminster or achieved the changes voted for.
Agree there seems to be some desire for change regarding the parliament, and maybe this may bring some actual 'constitution' modifications in the future.
Concerning the other issue at stake since 2016, one of the problem migth be that there has not been a massive vote one way or the other, so no clear 'will of the people' has emerged. 60/40 or more might be qualified of 'massive', provided everyone involved is allowed to vote.
In the meantime, 3 PMs of the same party were unable to provide anything constructive...
Quater repetita..?


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Old 21st Nov 2019, 18:04
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And lo a star is borne !...true, she was already in the ascendency but now cometh her moment to shine.......so three or more rip rip huzzahs for our Home Sec !.....

Of course Gov't wasn't, or rather isn't because the poverty still exists, to blame. How could it be when George, with a bit of help from Dave, decided a bit of austerity was all that was needed so dead easy really ...just cut the funding to Local Authorities and bingo !

For those who may have been spared the experience, she couldn't have chosen a better location to make her latest insightful comment....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-poverty-in-uk

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Old 21st Nov 2019, 23:46
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Been reading the Labour propositions.
Noticed they intend to get "a better deal".
Two questions come to mind :
1) What would one consider as a "better deal" ? What articles would need to be changed and in what way ?
2) What incentives would the UK offer to the EU to have them reconsider any of the two deals already signed ?

One would have thought that the UK has brűlé ses derničres cartouches in the last negotiations...
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 06:00
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And lo a star is borne !...true, she was already in the ascendency but now cometh her moment to shine.......so three or more rip rip huzzahs for our Home Sec !.....

Of course Gov't wasn't, or rather isn't because the poverty still exists, to blame. How could it be when George, with a bit of help from Dave, decided a bit of austerity was all that was needed so dead easy really ...just cut the funding to Local Authorities and bingo !
Priti Sushil Patel MP - Home Secretary - Witham 2010 - has come a long way since working for James Goldsmith and the Referendum Party.

She is ideologically positioned on the party's right wing and identifies as a Thatcherite, so no surprise there!

With the ERG and the like, the country is seeing what the Tory party was seeing internally for years. The internal fight went external in 2016 and dragged the country with it. BREXIT and far right policies are the main stream.

It's all about overall majorities and another referendum. Which is a bit ironic
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 06:15
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Fundamentally, nothing wrong with the manifesto .......however, astute readers will spot a rare unification of parties here......lets call it revenue.

That said, today the UK is the beneficiary of another great "all American tradition " which has arrived on our shores in recent years,," Black Friday ".......so maybe both parties will be offering discount deals to entice the electorate !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ax-spend-plans

Finally, fresh from his demonstration of inspirational leadership enter Nige with his own unique stance on getting the public's attention......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50511014

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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 08:18
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“Fundamentally nothing wrong with the manifesto...” Ha! Apart from imposing truly gigantic debt, repelling international investors, and officially categorising many middle class workers -airline pilots,for instance as “super-rich”. Transform our economy? Right about that ...by putting it on a par with Venezuela or Cuba, which Corbyn admires so much.
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 08:29
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 08:42
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
“Fundamentally nothing wrong with the manifesto...” Ha! Apart from imposing truly gigantic debt, repelling international investors, and officially categorising many middle class workers -airline pilots,for instance as “super-rich”. Transform our economy? Right about that ...by putting it on a par with Venezuela or Cuba, which Corbyn admires so much.
That's not very egalitarian now is it.......and, tsk !, in your somewhat emotive state, you missed including N.Korea, China and East Germany ( as wuz ) all of which are established JB favourites when it comes to the spectre of socialism .......and the People's Republics of South and West Yorkshire of course.
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 08:57
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It would certainly be egalitarian under Corbyn: in that we’d all be equally screwed!
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