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Old 10th Dec 2018, 10:43
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Originally Posted by sfm818 View Post
Time for a general election to sort this mess out.
And how would that sort out the mess?
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 10:53
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And how would that sort out the mess?
Call their bluff and install Mogg as Prime Minister to deliver the 'will of people'.

Alternatively, vote the Tories out of office.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 11:10
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Although I deeply dislike the EU, I’m with the EU on this one in that there can be no new negotiations. May’s plan to use clear anti deal sentiment throughout the UK and throughout the political spectrum to try and leverage a different deal simply can’t be allowed to happen. May demanded the EU respect the UK and I don’t think this political plotting of hers is showing the EU any respect. She told us the deal was amazing. If that is the case then surely there’s no need nor no mandate to renew and renegotiate it with the EU.

I stand with the EU on this one. It’s time to ditch the witch and the despicable deal she’s concocted in her cauldron of remainer despair.

id love to know how labour expect to get all of the benefits from the single market whilst leaving the single market. Their previous manifesto claimed they’ll ditch freedom of movement and without FOM you can’t be in the SM and therefore they’re the party of leaving the SM.


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Old 10th Dec 2018, 11:19
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And yet it is a Conservative administration previously lead by David Cameron who, due to their lack of foresight has lead this country to an incredibly damaging and divisive referendum with no idea at all how to extricate it from this self inflicted shambles.
Yes, it is he should shoulder 100% of the blame for today's mess, that has pitted family against family, friends against friends, generation against generation. The UK is as a result now divided in the same way as Northern Ireland is / was; but not based upon which church we frequent, but upon which side of the remain / leave divide we fall. These divisions will take a generation to repair, especially if there is a no deal Brexit and chaos, however temporary, ensues. The "snowflake / twitter generation will be furious with those it sees as having denied them their freedom (as they view it) and prosperity and may vent their anger on leavers. As we're on the whole less rebellious than the French, I can't see a Paris like situation developing, but it may not be pleasant.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 11:20
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Well well, anything can happen in the next half hour as they used to say on Stingray.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 11:23
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I would be amazed if riots broke out over this. The only scenario I see that coming to pass is post no deal when people begin to lose jobs in serious numbers & the cost of living soars.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 11:25
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I would be amazed if riots broke out over this. The only scenario I see that coming to pass is post no deal when people begin to lose jobs in serious numbers & the cost of living soars.
Credible sources reporting tomorrows vote to be delayed. Statement in the House at 3.30pm.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 11:45
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The meaningful vote is in the parliamentary schedule which means procedurally, it needs a vote - which could be lost - to pull it. This, as unlikely as it is, would be delicious, peak May.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 11:48
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Originally Posted by sfm818 View Post
Call their bluff and install Mogg as Prime Minister to deliver the 'will of people'.

Alternatively, vote the Tories out of office.
Frying pans and fires come to mind.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 12:00
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Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, who was hoping to use a defeat for Mrs May on Tuesday to force a general election
Instead, she ploughed ahead when she should have gone back to Brussels to renegotiate or called an election so the public could elect a new government that could do so.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46509288

This is what really p*sses me off, scum sucking lowlife who rather than work together to create a working exit would rather think of themselves and try to grab power and stuff the country, I have stepped in better than the front bench of the Labour Party and I wouldn't trust them to organise a childrens party for 20 kids, or "that would be 16 or maybe 14...I will get back to you on that point"... if Diane Abbott is involved.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 12:10
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46509288

This is what really p*sses me off, scum sucking lowlife who rather than work together to create a working exit would rather think of themselves and try to grab power and stuff the country, I have stepped in better than the front bench of the Labour Party and I wouldn't trust them to organise a childrens party for 20 kids, or "that would be 16 or maybe 14...I will get back to you on that point"... if Diane Abbott is involved.
Wow. The tone & content rather undermine the theme of unity, dontcha think?
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 12:10
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46509288

This is what really p*sses me off, scum sucking lowlife who rather than work together to create a working exit would rather think of themselves and try to grab power and stuff the country, I have stepped in better than the front bench of the Labour Party and I wouldn't trust them to organise a childrens party for 20 kids, or "that would be 16 or maybe 14...I will get back to you on that point"... if Diane Abbott is involved.
so youíre angry because you want the Opposition to stop opposing the government and meekly vote for the Maybotís deal. And yet no anger for the huge numbers of Conservative MPs who are refusing to vote with their own leader for the deal. Presumably that is because they are largely Brexiteers, and as such can do no wrong? If all the Tories voted for the deal, given that there are likely to be a handful of Labour Brexiteer rebels, it would probably scrape through, and we would be formally out in just over 3 months (technically any transitional period is post-exit). However if the deal doesnít go through you might lose Brexit altogether - as was suggested in this thread a few days ago it doesnít look as certain as it once did.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 12:30
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46509288

This is what really p*sses me off, scum sucking lowlife who rather than work together to create a working exit would rather think of themselves and try to grab power and stuff the country, I have stepped in better than the front bench of the Labour Party and I wouldn't trust them to organise a childrens party for 20 kids, or "that would be 16 or maybe 14...I will get back to you on that point"... if Diane Abbott is involved.
Now I understand why you are called NUT LOOSE.
A typical post from someone who manages to convince themselves that Corbyn is to blame for anything and everything.

​​​​​​Quite how you bring Mrs Abbott into this discussion simply shows your bigoted views.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 12:31
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Wake me up when it is all over.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 12:31
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So. Parliament will not back no deal.

Parliament will not back May's deal

ECJ says Brexit can be revoked

May says the deal won't be renegotiated.

EU says the deal will not be renegotiated.

UK not prepared for no deal.

OTOH

May said no snap election
May said no deal better than a bad deal.

Faites vos jeux.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 12:36
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Sprogs,
It is a lot easier if you don't think about it.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 12:37
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She also said no second referendum....

My only hope is that she didn’t go walking in the Welsh mountains over the weekend. We all know what can happen when she’s left alone with her thoughts!
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 12:38
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so you’re angry because you want the Opposition to stop opposing the government and meekly vote for the Maybot’s dea
Not in the slightest, I applaud them for stopping this going through as I feel it would shackle us to the EU with no benefit. But it reads as the main priority on Labours agenda is not to oppose and then work together so we come up with a coherrant approach and a deal, but to subvert the process simply to grab power. Sorry if you read it as anything else but if you think the current Labour front bench could do a better job at bringing home the poison chalice you are naive.
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 12:39
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Originally Posted by CroqueMonsieur View Post
She also said no second referendum....

My only hope is that she didnít go walking in the Welsh mountains over the weekend. We all know what can happen when sheís left alone with her thoughts!
If she did she'd have had it all on trying to convince the sheep of the merits of her deal!!
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Old 10th Dec 2018, 13:55
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
... Sorry if you read it as anything else but if you think the current Labour front bench could do a better job at bringing home the poison chalice you are naive.
In the words of Geoffrey Boycott

"my granny could do better with a stick of rhubarb!"


What a bloody mess.
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