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Old 5th Nov 2019, 16:19
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Hammond has gone, falling on his sword before being voted out for not following his electorates wishes?
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 16:42
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Apparently there is a good source of money for one party, but we are not allowed to hear about it until after the election.
And which one may that be? Do they produce a propaganda "newspaper" with columns written by the likes of Tim Martin and fake agony aunt letters? Does their name begin with "B" and end with x[sh]it?
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 16:47
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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman View Post
It is amazing really that the election system is still based on winning constituencies. It is 2019 after all. Nothing to do with #brexit. But why does the UK still vote as it does? Time for reform?
That's an easy one. Because like so much in this country we live in the past, and change hardly anything on the grounds of either (a) tradition, or (b) because we've always done it that way. That's why have refused to fully metricate our weights and measures, and still drive on the left hand side of the road amongst other things. it seems to me that if we had hung on to our old currency and not decimalised back in 1971, leaving it for another decade or so, we probably not have done it at all!
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 17:42
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And which one may that be? Do they produce a propaganda "newspaper" with columns written by the likes of Tim Martin and fake agony aunt letters? Does their name begin with "B" and end with x[sh]it?
Here's a clue.....obese blond haired male, noted as a serial liar, not averse to extra marital sex, has been seen viewing ditches as possible future residence, was described in his former role as the worst on record, sometime journalist and currently residing in a short term tenancy in a "des res " central London location ......
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 17:49
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
And which one may that be? Do they produce a propaganda "newspaper" with columns written by the likes of Tim Martin and fake agony aunt letters? Does their name begin with "B" and end with x[sh]it?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50300551
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 18:04
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Here's a clue.....obese blond haired male, noted as a serial liar, not averse to extra marital sex, has been seen viewing ditches as possible future residence, was described in his former role as the worst on record, sometime journalist and currently residing in a short term tenancy in a "des res " central London location ......
Were the Russians (allegedly) backing two horses then? Or perhaps just one faction of one of one of them.
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 18:20
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Were the Russians (allegedly) backing two horses then? Or perhaps just one faction of one of one of them.
Since the report has been suppressed, w​​​​​e won't know until after the election.
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 21:41
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Since the report has been suppressed, w​​​​​e won't know until after the election.
Or more likely not until Boris has got out of the EU.

One has to wonder, what is he hiding?
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 22:10
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ATNotts: are the other 74 countries who drive on the left backward as well?
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 00:53
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Were the Russians (allegedly) backing two horses then? Or perhaps just one faction of one of one of them.
Most likely - Putin's ambition is to just "stir the pot" and make democracy look (even more) ridiculous. Wouldn't want his kulaks getting any ideas.....

(BTW, I'm in favor of democracy. But I do recognize that it's often sloppy and ridiculous even at its best. "The worst form of government, except for.....")
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 06:50
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Credit where credit is due.....as they say.... and in this case the credit goes to the DWP for selecting a media outlet whose expertise in presenting fallacies is unrivalled...along with its daily counterpart.

Thankfully, such " unfortunate misunderstandings " may become a thing of the past now the Dept is embarking on a programme to replace humans ( depending on your definition of human in the case of those who work there that is ) with botts and algorithms .....and stuff.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ered-ad-banned
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 08:01
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One wonders if clearing out the "safe pairs of hands" from his cabinet, Boris Johnson has managed to put a bunch of 2nd rate, politically clumsy MPs at front and centre of his party, whether that be JR-M, the Welsh Secretary Alan Cairns, or other high profile figures such as Andrew Bridgen. Then yesterday we discover that the Party has been putting up fake news on Twitter, and James Cleverly this morning floundering on a BBC Breakfast interview that finished minutes ago and absolutely defending the posting of fake material on Twitter. It is almost as though Johnson has brought in Donald Trump's entire strategic team to fight this election - and we do know that Steve Bannon has discussed strategy with the Tories previously.

Can the ardent Conservative supporters here justify what the Tory social media campaign is doing; I'd be interested to see a rather more coherent justification that Cleverly could provide. Moreover, leaving a side the imperative of "keeping Corbyn out" what reason is there to voye for the current Tory party.

It is an absolute travesty that Labour is being lead by such an incompetent as Corbyn. With a more centrist leader and team they'd be running rings around the Conservatives given their performance in the first few days of the campaign. Jo Swinson was probably right at the LibDem campaign launch yesterday, she probably could do a better job than either of the two main party leaders as PM. Of course she stands two hopes of becoming PM; Bob Hope and no hope, due in no small part to our electoral system.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 08:21
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ATNotts, you are actually spot on, we are presented with three poor choices and need to pick the least bad. However half of us differ from the other half (of the voters who matter) as to who that is. Some would jump in the ditch while others would fill the ditch in.

As an aside, with pollsters, do they select which constituencies they select for the sample? For instance only seats that are marginals or do they include safe seats?
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 08:50
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
ATNotts, you are actually spot on, we are presented with three poor choices and need to pick the least bad. However half of us differ from the other half (of the voters who matter) as to who that is. Some would jump in the ditch while others would fill the ditch in.

As an aside, with pollsters, do they select which constituencies they select for the sample? For instance only seats that are marginals or do they include safe seats?
As you may have gathered from some of my postings, I do work in the research sector, but do not get involved with political polling. With online polling, which is how most political polling is done it is always going to be difficult to reliably poll voters in any particular constituency so to do so you have to rely on people you have recruited to panels who take part in surveys regularly, and are by their very nature opinionated.

To do the job properly, interviewers would have to be despatched to selected constituencies and interview respondents over a spread of days, times and locations and work to strict quotas and that way get a much more accurate picture of opinion. All that costs money, and the pollsters generally aren't spending their own money, but that of a client, be they political parties, media outlets or whoever else, all with their own agenda who will want the result they are looking for, achieved at the lowest possible cost and to hell with impartiality or accuracy. I won't trust any of the polls, even if they are carried out by my employers.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 09:39
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Noo, no !, no ! no !

JR-M is precisely the sort of person we want in Parliament because, erm, we need "very clever people" ( Latin speakers especially welcome ) ......so sayeth another not so clever person...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...pology-stormzy
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 12:20
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Noo, no !, no ! no !

JR-M is precisely the sort of person we want in Parliament because, erm, we need "very clever people" ( Latin speakers especially welcome ) ......so sayeth another not so clever person...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...pology-stormzy
���� oh dear. twas clear that Bridgen is an odious bit of work, but that he is also genuinely thick was not obvious. The audio is priceless. I think he just disqualified himself by his own “wanting clever people to run the country” criterion. So bad you couldn’t credibly make it up.

More. Please. People of Britain meet your decision makers ��
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 13:13
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ATNotts, I have been collated twice. Once in Oakham where they wanted to know if I had watched TV over the weekend, I had, what had I watched? Not a clue. Only two channels in those days but I had been on stands for 72 hours, just eat, sleep, TV. Strike 1.

Next in Lincoln. I was waiting to collect daughter so in no hurry. Can't remember the subject but it took a reasonable time. Last questions were my name and address. I declined and she got very aerated as it invalidated the questionnaire. I guess they needed to to ensure she hadn't made it up herself.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 13:17
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���� oh dear. twas clear that Bridgen is an odious bit of work, but that he is also genuinely thick was not obvious. The audio is priceless. I think he just disqualified himself by his own “wanting clever people to run the country” criterion. So bad you couldn’t credibly make it up.
He has my vote or will have..
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 13:26
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This this JRM/Bridgen affair has all the hallmarks of Cummings. Planned from start to finish to charm the Brexit Partty voters.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 14:45
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OK Folks, add a line to my poor poem and see how we go, try to get it to rhyme...

T'was the weeks before Christmas when all through the house,
Not a creature was stiring not even a mouse,
When out on the lawn we heard such a clatter,
It was Corbyn and Co had come for a natter,
The stockings were hung by the fire with flair,
Soon to be emptied to fund social care,
The dream of the gifts this Christmas we'd get,
Would soon be dispelled if in power we let,
The men dressed in red from head to their toe,
They'd spend what we've got and that we had not,
And put us in debt for ever a day...
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