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Old 12th Oct 2019, 14:41
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I note proposals and enthusiasm for a General Election to sort things out. In terms of putting bums on front benches and providing a 'working' Government - it MIGHT do.
What it definitely WILL do is perpetuate the so-called Democratic system we labour under in the UK. For a supposedly 'Representative' Democracy, the results are hardly reassuring. As an example let's look at the 1983 election when the blessed Hilda Margaret had her 'Buggins moment':
Seats before 359 261 11
Seats won 397 209 23
Seat change Increase58[a] Decrease60[a] Increase12[a]
Popular vote 13,012,316 8,456,934 7,780,949
Percentage 42.4% 27.6% 25.4%
Swing Decrease1.5% Decrease9.3% Increase11.6%

Now I must admit to being no Marcus de Sautoy but I have some difficulty with reconciling those figures with any sense of even-handedness, fairness or however you may wish to term it. Admittedly that Election was chosen for a purpose - to illustrate the nonsensical claims of universal suffrage for Brits - Yes, you can vote, as long as we power brokers can 'regulate' the outcome.
As Tony Hancock had it ...
"Does Magna Carta mean nothing to you? Did she die in vain?"
Unfortunately, it (GE) is not a matter of amusement - the country's future lies with a manipulated outcome.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 16:40
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Just read a letter by Scottish whisky distilker

"This new 25% tariff (into USA) is significant. We will not be able to protect our loyal consumers in the US for ling. We expect to have to raise prices. . . "

Have I got it wrong, I thought the tariff was imposed on importers and not paid by exporters?.

While the US would pocket an additional $125m it does not follow that even that tax has to be passed on to the consumer. The distiller might cut his margin, and hence the tax take, the importer might trim his profit and only a market acceptable increase imposed at point of sale.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 17:22
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Have I got it wrong, I thought the tariff was imposed on importers and not paid by exporters?.

While the US would pocket an additional $125m it does not follow that even that tax has to be passed on to the consumer. The distiller might cut his margin, and hence the tax take, the importer might trim his profit and only a market acceptable increase imposed at point of sale.
I'd say if the British distiller sells his whisky in the US, then he is the importer.
Any business is trying to make profit.
There is a limit to how much a producer can cut his margin in order to maintain sales volume.
No point in selling many bottles if you lose money on each of them.

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Old 12th Oct 2019, 19:36
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
I'd say if the British distiller sells his whisky in the US, then he is the importer..
No, the distiller is the exporter.

Eg: the EU is the largest importer of agricultural products from developing countries

Most profit is made at the point of sale as they probably have the biggest overheads. Imports from Scotland are much less expensive than the price in UK due to high taxation.

I think whisky in the US is a high status luxury product when compared with indigenous bourbon. I don't think high tariffs would be more than a temporary blip.
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Old 12th Oct 2019, 20:02
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
No, the distiller is the exporter.
Depends on the perspective :
For instance my neighbour buys cars in Switzerland to resell them in this country.
He *exports* cars from Switzerland, to *import* them into our country.
For the Swiss he is an exporter. For the French, he is an importer.

So if your Scottish distiller sells his whisky in the US, he is a whisky *exporter* from the UK, and a whisky *importer* into the US, and should pay tariffs on his imports.
Of course, he can instead sell his whisky to someone who will play the importer role.
But the letter seems to imply that *they* are doing the sales in the US.

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Old 13th Oct 2019, 12:05
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It doesn't matter. Come 31st October Scottish whisky will not be an EU export so not liable for those taxes.
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Old 13th Oct 2019, 12:07
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
It doesn't matter. Come 31st October Scottish whisky will not be an EU export so not liable for those taxes.
Haha, fair enough !
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Old 13th Oct 2019, 13:08
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
It doesn't matter. Come 31st October*** Scottish whisky will not be an EU export so not liable for those taxes.
*** Other dates may apply.

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Old 14th Oct 2019, 07:22
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It appears that Boris and co. are proposing the end of the rail franchise system........very commendable and ironic in equal measure, but, sadly, no specific details as to what will replace these sources of shareholders incomes..........so lets renationalisation out.......
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 09:11
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No specific details...er, like the no specific details of where the hundreds of billions of £ís for Labourís renationalisation would come from?
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 09:36
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
No specific details...er, like the no specific details of where the hundreds of billions of £’s for Labour’s renationalisation would come from?
I 'm sure Javid wil explain all in his Budget statement on Nov6th, well ok, maybe not on that date because whilst he may be convinced we will be out of the EU, unfortunately, not everybody shares his on message optimism so we might just get a splurge of figures delivered with a condescending smirk instead and have to wait a bit longer .....

Back to your advanced case of paranoia......there are various proposals from Labour as to how this renationalisation will be funded, all of which can be found with a minimal search. That said, please have a read of this thoughtful article......

https://www.railmagazine.com/news/ra...ures/exclusive

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Old 14th Oct 2019, 10:30
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Gov't Depts and.......I.T. What could possibly go wrong given the many success stories of implementation to date......

Interesting to read the emphasis now being placed on robots given the human staff are already robotic with their treatment of claims and benefits to adversely affect people's lives.
On the other hand, I wouldn't have any sympathy, not very socialist of Guardian reader like I know, for those who may find themselves redundant and the recipient of the policies they had been only to enthusiastic about imposing...

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...r-into-poverty
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 10:38
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As noted above; Labour's funding of nationalisation costs have previously been explained, more than a couple of times, by Labour. However, here's a couple of numbers to throw into the spreadsheet:
Rail subsidies in 2017/18 were £6.4 Billion. Private investment in the rail industry in the same period was £1.3 Billion. (Sounds as if we are half way there to nationalisation). It has been shown that privatised rail companies receive 3 to 4 times the amount of funding provided by the government to British Rail in the 1970s and 1980s.
Fossil fuel subsidies to energy companies run to £xx Billions. Nobody is quite sure of an accurate figure as the government refuses to supply one. The EU recently estimated the amount to be around £10.6 Billion. In a reply to a written question in the Commons back in January, the government responded with" The UK has no fossil fuel subsidies..". The independent think tank, ODI, responded to that with a report which concludes "They are lying". Harsh words! Imagine that! The government is lying!
https://www.parliament.uk/business/p...-01-23/211670/
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 11:10
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Meanwhile long overdue plans to introduce I.D. checks at polling stations to combat election fraud are being met with anger by Labour & the Libs. I wonder why?





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Old 14th Oct 2019, 11:12
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Gov't Depts and.......I.T. What could possibly go wrong given the many success stories of implementation to date......

Interesting to read the emphasis now being placed on robots given the human staff are already robotic with their treatment of claims and benefits to adversely affect people's lives.
On the other hand, I wouldn't have any sympathy, not very socialist of Guardian reader like I know, for those who may find themselves redundant and the recipient of the policies they had been only to enthusiastic about imposing...

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...r-into-poverty
That's a brilliant idea - I like it!
The staff who dealt with benefit claims will be made redundant, and will claim benefits from the same robots who made them redundant.

If we applied this concept across the whole country, no one will ever need to work again. We'll all be paid by robots, not to work!
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 11:12
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Bearing in mind the old adage "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree", did anybody watch the Chan 4 programme "Celebrity Manhunt last night "?
For those who didn't, the idea is that someone goes on the run, attempting to evade capture. One of those last night was Stanley Johnson, father of the class idiot, Boris. He was accompanied by an apparent air head (Georgia Toffolo, to be fair to the lady. On being asked which politicians she admired, she replied "Jacob Reese Mogg. He is an absolute sex god!, famous for being in a TV programme about the privileged lives of people living in Chelsea and winning "I'm a Celebrity..."). As part of their escape strategy, the female air head said she would submit to Mr Johnson's thoughts and plans for their escape as he was super intelligent, the father of the Prime Minister and an ex spy. Big mistake. Their first move was to get to the North Yorks home of a former school mate of Mr Johnson who provided the par with accommodation for the night and loaned them her Range Rover with which they could make good their escape, avoiding detection. Off they set in the morning, with Miss Toffolo beginning to question Mr Johnson's skills at navigating. Within the first couple of miles, he had to confess he was lost. From the very first turn onto the roadside their host's home. Eventually, they found their way to Malton, where they purchased an unregistered/untraceable mobile phone. So far, so good. They then needed to refuel their vehicle so Mr Johnson paid for that with his credit card. Miss Toffolo queried the wisdom of that and he replied with "They will never trace that card". Unknown to him the Hunters HQ reported activity on that card within minutes of the transaction and traced it to the petrol station. From the petrol station they obtained CCTV of the pair, including the registration of the vehicle they were driving. The Hunters then arrived at the home of Mr Johnson's erstwhile hosts and looked at her mobile phone, which showed searches for mobile phone shops in Malton. A visit to the mobile phone shop showed the pair purchasing the phone and they acquired the phone number from the shop. "Untraceable" no more!
It wasn't long before the Hunters traced a mobile call from a train going from Glasgow to Birmingham, followed by yet another credit card transaction at a hotel opposite Birmingham New Street station. Following their departing the hotel, they went to the station where they were separated while the generous Ms Toffolo went to buy a Telegraph for Mr Johnson. He wandered off and she had to hunt all over the staion for him, worrying aloud about probably having been caught on CCTV many times. As the programme ended, the mobile phone was traced to a platform and a quick check of the departures board showed there was a train due to leave soon for Plymouth. Well, how about that! Ms Toffolo was born and raised in Torquay! So, one can expect the pair will be captured early in the next episode. The thing that struck me though was the glaringly ignorance of Mr Johnson when it came time to make crucial decisions, his wisdom in making those choices and his infallible belief in his own wisdom. Compared to the wisdom shown by his companion, I was forced to rethink my appraisal of her as an "air head".
Now, back to the "apple not falling far..."
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 11:14
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Originally Posted by felixflyer View Post
Meanwhile long overdue plans to introduce I.D. checks at polling stations to combat election fraud are being met with anger by Labour & the Libs. I wonder why?
It's more important to clamp down on the scandal of postal voting.
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 11:23
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 11:29
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Originally Posted by felixflyer View Post
Meanwhile long overdue plans to introduce I.D. checks at polling stations to combat election fraud are being met with anger by Labour & the Libs. I wonder why?
I get the impression most political parties in the UK portray ID cards as being the work of the devil...when it suits them...

Wasn't there, within living memory, at least one case of a high profile Tory who resigned over the proposed plan to introduce ID cards....

You don’t need to travel very far back in time, however, to find the last incarnation of identity cards in British political debate. When a scheme to roll them out was introduced by the then Labour government in 2006, they were despised by human rights campaigners and Tories alike. It was only in 2010 that a Toryand Liberal Democrat collation made unceremoniously scrapping them one of its very first tasks in office
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...s-civil-rights
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 11:47
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This isn't about national ID cards but about the need to show ID in order to vote.




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