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Old 28th Sep 2019, 09:52
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Coming soon ! ...the definitive media perspective of politics !.......one was an avid viewer last time, and will be again. Nice observation about Raab .....although he probably won't be too impressed.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...tin-zuckerberg

Meanwhile, for the contributor in particular who opined all this happened a couple of jobs ago....which is correct, it did, unfortunately ( for Boris ) others are not inclined to be so casually dismissive . There again, when it comes to "misconduct in the public office" , they might as well add his performance as PM to the referral.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ial-misconduct
It does seem strange that Boris found the need for these 'technical' sessions in the lady's apartment, when as Mayor he had a whole department of IT professionals available on the premises.
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 10:08
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
It does seem strange that Boris found the need for these 'technical' sessions in the lady's apartment, when as Mayor he had a whole department of IT professionals available on the premises.
As I've said before, I freely admit my IT knowledge is limited, however, I am aware that both software and hardware need to be embedded at times.....

For those who are blissfully happy to feel riots in the UK are the exclusive province of the lower echelons of society intent on stealing, and we won't mention Grosvenor square at this point. here's a couple that seem to have been excluded from the pigeon post deliveries to Lincolnshire in the past......


The second shows those terribly upstanding and jolly splendid paragons of feudalism showing the finer points of their sociopathic tendencies when they realise they can no long indulge in a spot of gratuitous slaughter which they prefer to term "sport "....

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Old 28th Sep 2019, 10:16
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Noel Evans and PN - were either of you (or both) actively aware of what happened in the miners' strike, the Brixton riots, not to mention Grunwick et al?
I appreciate that a large proportion of Brits, particularly the English, doze their way through anything which doesn't affect house prices, the football or cricket scores or the size of the breasts visible in the pages of our leading political discussion documents, but I'm sure that I notice an increasing awareness of social issues. It might even be classed as anger and revulsion on both sides of the current 'debate'. While those latter traits can be considered undesirable they are a natural, and universal, response to what is perceived as 'unfairness'. That, unfortunately, just like the oft quoted (but NEVER defined) Democracy, will almost certainly be an unresolvable concept. Silly posters embodying the appeals of long-gone Military Leaders from a long-gone submissive age are as irrelevant as the supposition that 17.4 m represents a majority in a total population of 60+m. !!
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 10:26
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
For those who are blissfully happy to feel riots in the UK are the exclusive province of the lower echelons of society intent on stealing, and we won't mention Grosvenor square at this point. here's a couple that seem to have been excluded from the pigeon post deliveries to Lincolnshire in the past......
That was a long time ago, most of those demonstrators must now be the age of the posters on this forum.
Oh, wait a minute...

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Old 28th Sep 2019, 10:54
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I think they are getting twitchy he really might have found a way around the Benn Act......

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...dence-vote-snp

Johnson could face no-confidence vote next week to halt no-deal Brexit

There could be a vote of no confidence in the government next week in order to remove Boris Johnson as prime minister and secure a Brexit date extension, a senior Scottish National party MP has said.

Following talks between opposition party leaders at Westminster, Stewart Hosie said the move appeared to be the only way of ensuring Johnson did not push through a no-deal Brexit on 31 October.

“We have to do that because there is now no confidence that the prime minister will obey the law and seek the extension that parliament voted for only a few weeks ago,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.“If we are serious about the extension, that is the only game in town.”........

Hosie said it was a short-term procedure to get an extension to article 50 and then have a general election.

Scotland’s first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, has said she is open-minded about Corbyn becoming an interim prime minister, in order to secure an extension to Brexit and call a general election. She told BBC Scotland: “We are all going to have to compromise, we are all going to have to swallow our pride and put up with something for a matter of days to allow that to happen, and get on with it.”

Her representative in Westminster, Ian Blackford, said the SNP was “desperate” for an election.......

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Old 28th Sep 2019, 11:03
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And what if the EU don't agree?
They are really getting p'd off with us, and rightly so.
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 11:39
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
And what if the EU don't agree?
They are really getting p'd off with us, and rightly so.
They - and we - really are, but contrary to the Fear-of-Remain theory, nobody in the EU wants to be the bad guy that threw the UK off the cliff.
Then when - and if - a civilized PM appears, with reasonable perspectives of a reasonable deal, there is no reason why the EU would deny an extension.
If the present PM stays in office, then that's a different kettle of fish.
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 11:53
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
They - and we - really are, but contrary to the Fear-of-Remain theory, nobody in the EU wants to be the bad guy that threw the UK off the cliff.
Then when - and if - a civilized PM appears, with reasonable perspectives of a reasonable deal, there is no reason why the EU would deny an extension.
If the present PM stays in office, then that's a different kettle of fish.
Well, there's a change of commissioners on the 1.11. in the EU, so it may be decided that it is better to start with a clean sheet and the Extension may not be extended.
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 12:07
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Cornish Jack, I suggest you listen to that interview with Fahey (at about 0819am on 'Today'). The miners' strike and the 'poll tax' riots were considered. It was interesting to hear a police side of this -- including how well behaved the Brits generally are compared with elsewhere.
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 15:14
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Yes the police side of the miner's strike was indeed interesting. To the extent that officer's reports were remarkably similar. Even down to spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 16:40
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Yes the police side of the miner's strike was indeed interesting. To the extent that officer's reports were remarkably similar. Even down to spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.
Not to mention the chortling and bragging in the pubs in those areas distant from the strikes but had supplied officers on an all expenses paid, help yourself to as much overtime as you fancy junket. Some in my home area were heard bragging to their mates how they had just bought a fancy new motor home etc.
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 17:28
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Not to mention the chortling and bragging in the pubs in those areas distant from the strikes but had supplied officers on an all expenses paid,
It was worth it to break the power of the Unions.
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 17:29
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Not to mention the chortling and bragging in the pubs in those areas distant from the strikes but had supplied officers on an all expenses paid, help yourself to as much overtime as you fancy junket. Some in my home area were heard bragging to their mates how they had just bought a fancy new motor home etc.
Some of our local police got sent to help police the miner's strike, and did very well out of it indeed. Thatcher seemed to be quite happy for police forces to provide unlimited overtime to those seconded to do battle with the miners. It wasn't uncommon to see local officers driving around in new cars, paid for out of the overtime. One wag in our town had the cheek to call his new car "a Scargill"...
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 17:50
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
It was worth it to break the power of the Unions.
Priceless !......sayeth he who casually flashes his BALPA card ( which you informed of us about on here ) to get, erm, a discount ..or better still, upgrade...free !



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Old 28th Sep 2019, 17:51
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
It was worth it to break the power of the Unions.
Funny the UK seems to have issues with some words : "union", "united", "reunite", "unionist" ;-)
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 20:10
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Fareastdriver shows just how far society has deteriorated. Perverting the Course of Justice is now acceptable in pursuance of a political desire. I wonder what his reaction would be if someone said that Paddy McGee 's actions in Brighton thirty five years ago was "worth it"?
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 20:33
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Fareastdriver shows just how far society has deteriorated.
Trying to make light of it, but such contempt for industry workers, digging for him, sailing for him, feeding him, transporting him, paying taxes for his pension...
Doesn't happen only in the UK, but sad all the same.



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Old 28th Sep 2019, 22:14
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Noel Evans - I listened to the Fahey interview and much else besides. Mr Fahey was a policeman, an occupation which, during my 83 years has morphed from the gentle, always reliable, stock 'Dixon' character, into a body-armoured, generally skin-headed figure, seemingly modelled on the snarling yobs of "A Clockwork Orange". That transformation has left what is still intended to be a form of civilian 'Watchmen' into a para-military group whose methods have been shown to be less than civil and at odds with the people they should be looking after. The Met. West Midlands and similar have seen fit to operate, at times, like their counterparts in the least developed parts of the world, well beyond the previous much-criticised buddy-buddy activities .laid at the door of the rolled up trouser brigade!
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 23:34
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
Noel Evans - I listened to the Fahey interview and much else besides. Mr Fahey was a policeman, an occupation which, during my 83 years has morphed from the gentle, always reliable, stock 'Dixon' character, into a body-armoured, generally skin-headed figure, seemingly modelled on the snarling yobs of "A Clockwork Orange". That transformation has left what is still intended to be a form of civilian 'Watchmen' into a para-military group whose methods have been shown to be less than civil and at odds with the people they should be looking after. The Met. West Midlands and similar have seen fit to operate, at times, like their counterparts in the least developed parts of the world, well beyond the previous much-criticised buddy-buddy activities .laid at the door of the rolled up trouser brigade!
You do the members of the (much stretched) police service a singular disservice. Para military, body armoured. Now why do you think it might be necessary to wear stab vests, wear body cameras, record each and every interaction with the public?
Much as George was a hero he died the first time we saw him, things have definitely not improved since, ask any of the widows.
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 00:16
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I support the power of unions-particularly BALPA to support their members. But not to bring down the government. The miners strike was not an industrial dispute but about removing Thatchers government from office
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