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Old 28th Sep 2019, 11:39
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
And what if the EU don't agree?
They are really getting p'd off with us, and rightly so.
They - and we - really are, but contrary to the Fear-of-Remain theory, nobody in the EU wants to be the bad guy that threw the UK off the cliff.
Then when - and if - a civilized PM appears, with reasonable perspectives of a reasonable deal, there is no reason why the EU would deny an extension.
If the present PM stays in office, then that's a different kettle of fish.
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 11:53
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
They - and we - really are, but contrary to the Fear-of-Remain theory, nobody in the EU wants to be the bad guy that threw the UK off the cliff.
Then when - and if - a civilized PM appears, with reasonable perspectives of a reasonable deal, there is no reason why the EU would deny an extension.
If the present PM stays in office, then that's a different kettle of fish.
Well, there's a change of commissioners on the 1.11. in the EU, so it may be decided that it is better to start with a clean sheet and the Extension may not be extended.
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 12:07
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Cornish Jack, I suggest you listen to that interview with Fahey (at about 0819am on 'Today'). The miners' strike and the 'poll tax' riots were considered. It was interesting to hear a police side of this -- including how well behaved the Brits generally are compared with elsewhere.
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 15:14
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Yes the police side of the miner's strike was indeed interesting. To the extent that officer's reports were remarkably similar. Even down to spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 16:40
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Yes the police side of the miner's strike was indeed interesting. To the extent that officer's reports were remarkably similar. Even down to spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.
Not to mention the chortling and bragging in the pubs in those areas distant from the strikes but had supplied officers on an all expenses paid, help yourself to as much overtime as you fancy junket. Some in my home area were heard bragging to their mates how they had just bought a fancy new motor home etc.
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 17:28
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Not to mention the chortling and bragging in the pubs in those areas distant from the strikes but had supplied officers on an all expenses paid,
It was worth it to break the power of the Unions.
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 17:29
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Not to mention the chortling and bragging in the pubs in those areas distant from the strikes but had supplied officers on an all expenses paid, help yourself to as much overtime as you fancy junket. Some in my home area were heard bragging to their mates how they had just bought a fancy new motor home etc.
Some of our local police got sent to help police the miner's strike, and did very well out of it indeed. Thatcher seemed to be quite happy for police forces to provide unlimited overtime to those seconded to do battle with the miners. It wasn't uncommon to see local officers driving around in new cars, paid for out of the overtime. One wag in our town had the cheek to call his new car "a Scargill"...
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 17:50
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
It was worth it to break the power of the Unions.
Priceless !......sayeth he who casually flashes his BALPA card ( which you informed of us about on here ) to get, erm, a discount ..or better still, upgrade...free !



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Old 28th Sep 2019, 17:51
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
It was worth it to break the power of the Unions.
Funny the UK seems to have issues with some words : "union", "united", "reunite", "unionist" ;-)
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 20:10
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Fareastdriver shows just how far society has deteriorated. Perverting the Course of Justice is now acceptable in pursuance of a political desire. I wonder what his reaction would be if someone said that Paddy McGee 's actions in Brighton thirty five years ago was "worth it"?
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 20:33
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Fareastdriver shows just how far society has deteriorated.
Trying to make light of it, but such contempt for industry workers, digging for him, sailing for him, feeding him, transporting him, paying taxes for his pension...
Doesn't happen only in the UK, but sad all the same.



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Old 28th Sep 2019, 22:14
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Noel Evans - I listened to the Fahey interview and much else besides. Mr Fahey was a policeman, an occupation which, during my 83 years has morphed from the gentle, always reliable, stock 'Dixon' character, into a body-armoured, generally skin-headed figure, seemingly modelled on the snarling yobs of "A Clockwork Orange". That transformation has left what is still intended to be a form of civilian 'Watchmen' into a para-military group whose methods have been shown to be less than civil and at odds with the people they should be looking after. The Met. West Midlands and similar have seen fit to operate, at times, like their counterparts in the least developed parts of the world, well beyond the previous much-criticised buddy-buddy activities .laid at the door of the rolled up trouser brigade!
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Old 28th Sep 2019, 23:34
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Originally Posted by Cornish Jack View Post
Noel Evans - I listened to the Fahey interview and much else besides. Mr Fahey was a policeman, an occupation which, during my 83 years has morphed from the gentle, always reliable, stock 'Dixon' character, into a body-armoured, generally skin-headed figure, seemingly modelled on the snarling yobs of "A Clockwork Orange". That transformation has left what is still intended to be a form of civilian 'Watchmen' into a para-military group whose methods have been shown to be less than civil and at odds with the people they should be looking after. The Met. West Midlands and similar have seen fit to operate, at times, like their counterparts in the least developed parts of the world, well beyond the previous much-criticised buddy-buddy activities .laid at the door of the rolled up trouser brigade!
You do the members of the (much stretched) police service a singular disservice. Para military, body armoured. Now why do you think it might be necessary to wear stab vests, wear body cameras, record each and every interaction with the public?
Much as George was a hero he died the first time we saw him, things have definitely not improved since, ask any of the widows.
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 00:16
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I support the power of unions-particularly BALPA to support their members. But not to bring down the government. The miners strike was not an industrial dispute but about removing Thatchers government from office
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 06:12
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...in-latest-poll

Tories hold 12-point lead over Labour in latest poll

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/...ndary=2017base

Forecast - Conservative majority of 108.
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 07:24
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Cornish jack the 17.4 million who voted leave might not be a majority of the uk.population but they are the majority of those who voted in the referendum. If those eligible to vote but could not be bothered to, well tough cheese, you had your chance.
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 07:44
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For anybody with even a basic understanding of accountancy, the term "due diligence " is easily understood, unless, it seems, you work for a Gov't Dept. .....
Thankfully, unlike Mr Grayling and ferries for example, this time it was a mere £700k !.......however, this generosity was clearly essential when a "des res " leafy Chesheer,location gets mentioned....the spiritual heart of the infernal triangle ......Prestbury !.

If they thought they could get away with it, there would be large signs saying " the following lower classes are permitted to enter in daylight and for delivery purposes ONLY ! "....plus, for prospective residents " A Coutts World Silk Card and Amex Centurion Card are the bare minimum to be considered for residency " . " A lifetime subscription to "Cheshire Life is mandatory ! ".......lovely place really.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...er-house-grant
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 08:22
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ORAC, it's imperative in psephology that you look at all the data. In addition to the poll that you report we have another from ComRes that gives a single point lead to the Tories (28/27/20) May I just enquire as to why you only reported the one?
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 08:58
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Originally Posted by paulc View Post
Cornish jack the 17.4 million who voted leave might not be a majority of the uk.population but they are the majority of those who voted in the referendum. If those eligible to vote but could not be bothered to, well tough cheese, you had your chance.
CJ, you made a good point about some riots and strikes. I remember bus strikes when I was a child and the actions and reactions in the town. Widespread as the miners' strike sympathies were not universal.

Any suggestion that the Army and Police would or could be automatically relied upon is naive. They will be split 17-16-17 the same as the rest of the population. Their demographic being 20-50 may skew that but the point remains, they will not be impartial.
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 09:05
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
CJ, you made a good point about some riots and strikes. I remember bus strikes when I was a child and the actions and reactions in the town. Widespread as the miners' strike sympathies were not universal.

Any suggestion that the Army and Police would or could be automatically relied upon is naive. They will be split 17-16-17 the same as the rest of the population. Their demographic being 20-50 may skew that but the point remains, they will not be impartial.
17+16+17 = 50.
Where's the other 50?
Please explain to someone not in 'The Know'.
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