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Old 26th Sep 2019, 09:41
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Bullying female members and encouraging violence.
Totally agree with your comment re Johnson's behaviour
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Do you really? I mean honestly?

I understand that politics has descended (mainly driven by a media hungry for outrage) into this tribal thing where each side pretends to be horrified and offended in order to get someone on the other team sacked but this is, even by current standards, a mountain out of a molehill.

Johnson was replying to a certain female MP who decided to bring Jo Cox into the argument in order to score cheap points.In recent weeks we have seen Boris effigies being beheaded onstage and hung from a bridge, no outrage from the left, McDonnell inciting violence towards tory politicians, no outrage from the left. Bo#@ocks to Brext actually used as a campaign slogan, Boris being constantly labelled fascist, racist, etc. etc.

He used the word 'humbug' and they have all gone berserk. Can we please stop this faux outrage by grown adults pretending to be offended.

Nobody should be receiving death threats or threats of violence just for doing their job but I fail to see how Boris telling the women who tried to bring JC's murder into the argument that she was talking humbug is in any way inciting that.

I would also suggest that those very same MP's sitting in London with their large expense accounts miles from their constituency refusing to listen to the voters they claim to represent and working hard to thwart that vote is more of a reason for them receiving threats than anything Boris is saying. If they are that sensitive that his words are offending them then not only are they in the wrong job but they will be in for a very rude awakening when they start going back to their constituency and knocking on doors asking those whose vote they have ignored to vote for them in a GE.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 09:42
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It's telling that one of the most prolific and aggressive pro Brexit posters opens with "they were all as bad as each other" I rest my case.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 09:52
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Originally Posted by felixflyer View Post
Do you really? I mean honestly?
Yes.

What does the size of their expense account have to do with anything? Businesses also provide large expense accounts for employees. The difference is that business have standards that employees have to meet, otherwise they are dismissed.


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Old 26th Sep 2019, 09:56
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I agree 100% with you felixflyer. As for EF, the guy didn't even have the gumption to vote yet comes here every day to tell us who did how wrong we are! Bad as "That other chap" Pace who also didn't vote.

If you want to see an MP with real rage and hatred, then watch Barry Sheerman in the house yesterday.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 10:05
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
It's telling that one of the most prolific and aggressive pro Brexit posters opens with "they were all as bad as each other" I rest my case.



I am aggressive? Ha ha, that's a new one on me.



Come the revolution, you vill be ze first up against zer vall.....
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 10:08
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What does the size of their expense account have to do with anything?
Is that all you took out of my post? It matters a lot as that is how MP's are viewed by the voting public. When they also not only refuse to enact their constituents vote but work hard to have it overturned then they are asking to be booted out at the next election.

They know this which is why they are so scared of an election. They will find out what the voters think of them when it finally happens.

It is telling that they are now moving from wanting a GE and 2nd ref to just campaigning for revoke. I know loads of leave voters but not one who has changed their minds. I do however know many remainers that are so disgusted with the way our democracy has been cast aside by those we charge with carrying it out that they will vote leave. I believe and I think they know, that a 2nd ref now would be a landslide victory for leave.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 10:26
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The whole thing is a disgrace. We have remainers, soft brexiteers and hard brexiteers and 2 have to combine to get resolution. Then we have Labour, LD ( trade description act may not apply) and Conservatives, another unholy trio. Then there is the SNP who are willing to prostitute everything in their pursuit of independence ( a government which doesn't acknowledge the result of a remain plebiscite, unlike the UK which has a parliament......). An election would give us this menagerie plus a brexit party rump. Still two or more of the circus would have to co-operate. Even acknowledging the misnomer, would the LDs sit comfortably with a hard left Labour government?
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 10:27
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Originally Posted by felixflyer View Post
It matters a lot as that is how MP's are viewed by the voting public..
Agree completely. I expect my MP to behave in a professional manner, not like he is in the crowd at a football match. I expect a degree of intelligent debate on crucial issues. I expect awkward questions to be answered with facts to counter flaws in argument.

Regardless of which tribe was shouting, I witnessed none of that last night, or indeed for the past few years.

This house needs to be reformed to be fit for purpose in the modern world. Our MPs also need to be fit for purpose. Parliament, like it or not, is a workplace and standards relating to procedure and process need to be updated to the 21st century.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 10:27
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​​​​​​​NutLoose Aggressive: Done in a forceful or determined way. I would contend that sums up your posting on Brexit. I certainly didn't mean that you were a pugilist. If you took it that way then I apologise.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 10:34
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Just by way of a slight diversion ..." the age of austerity is over " ( or words to that effect, c Treeza May ).......

Apart from these locations that is........
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49812519
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 10:53
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
They were all as bad as each other, to simply single out one person is wrong, .

Sorry, no, all IMVHO etc, and I hate to disagree but like others I watched the "debate" live last night and Johnson's attitude and behaviour was simply horrific.... he deserves all the singling out he is getting today.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 10:57
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
​​​​​​​NutLoose Aggressive: Done in a forceful or determined way. I would contend that sums up your posting on Brexit. I certainly didn't mean that you were a pugilist. If you took it that way then I apologise.
Ok, you can be second up against zer vall...
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 11:11
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Originally Posted by Grayfly View Post
Agree completely. I expect my MP to behave in a professional manner, not like he is in the crowd at a football match. I expect a degree of intelligent debate on crucial issues. I expect awkward questions to be answered with facts to counter flaws in argument.

Regardless of which tribe was shouting, I witnessed none of that last night, or indeed for the past few years.

This house needs to be reformed to be fit for purpose in the modern world. Our MPs also need to be fit for purpose. Parliament, like it or not, is a workplace and standards relating to procedure and process need to be updated to the 21st century.

well said - yesterday was a disgrace
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 12:22
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From The Independent, 26 Sept 2019;

Boris Johnson’s ‘crass and dangerous’ rhetoric will fuel violence on UK’s streets, warns EU Commissioner
This isn't some mainland rabid Europhile, this is the UK's own European Commissioner, Sir Julian Beresford King KCVO CMG appointed by a previous Tory PM, David Cameron.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9120966.html

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Old 26th Sep 2019, 12:34
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I fear we may well see violence on our streets but it won't be because of anything Boris has said.

It will be because 17.4m people feel they are being ignored, that their vote is not worth as much as someone else's. That they are being told they are too stupid, old, bigoted or white to have their vote count for anything.

If you think it will be because Boris said 'humbug' then you are kidding yourself.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 14:51
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If everyone on the Opposition benches despise Johnson so much, why not call for a 'no confidence' vote?

We have a totally rotten Parliament that has been sitting for far, far too long without achieving anything.

A General Election is badly needed to clear out the rot and start with a fresh Parliament that is representing the People rather than the present lot that are representing themselves. Too many of the bench-blockers on those green benches scrounging too much of our taxpayer-funded money doing nothing but stagnating. We need a fresh start and legitimacy that only a General Election can give us. As soon as possible.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 15:35
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The only solution to the current parliamentary impasse is to deliver Brexit. Until Brexit happens, there are 17.4 million voters who will get increasingly annoyed and distrustful of politicians. When trust in the political process dies, the only resort is to violence. The comments made in parliament yesterday were just the faintest echo of what is being voiced on the streets, if anyone cares to listen. MPs are right to be fearful. They are just starting to have some idea of the threat of violence that millions in the UK live with every day due to deprivation and cut backs in policing and social services.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 15:42
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
If everyone on the Opposition benches despise Johnson so much, why not call for a 'no confidence' vote?

We have a totally rotten Parliament that has been sitting for far, far too long without achieving anything.

A General Election is badly needed to clear out the rot and start with a fresh Parliament that is representing the People rather than the present lot that are representing themselves. Too many of the bench-blockers on those green benches scrounging too much of our taxpayer-funded money doing nothing but stagnating. We need a fresh start and legitimacy that only a General Election can give us. As soon as possible.
According to commentators, the reason for not doing so is that it would most likely lead to a general election. The direct consequence of that would be the dissolution of Parliament, with the only actor on the stage left standing being the PM, who can then move the election date at will (subject to possible court intervention it would now seem).

The idea being put forward is that in such a scenario, the current resident of #10 would choose a date post 31st Oct thus causing a no deal brexit.

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Old 26th Sep 2019, 15:46
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
If everyone on the Opposition benches despise Johnson so much, why not call for a 'no confidence' vote?
I'm sure you already know the answer.
There's no point in calling an election to get rid of him if he's going to win it and come straight back as PM.
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Old 26th Sep 2019, 15:48
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I'm sure you already know t
Because it is entirely poss
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Run out of Letraset? Lol.
They need to be careful what they wish for.
And so should we.
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