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Old 24th Sep 2019, 11:43
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There is no trust in the present political situation in Britain.

The only way out of this mess is for the real political judges, the people, to have a say in a General Election as soon as possible.

Anyone who attempts to frustrate that by blocking a General Election, through whatever means, should have to account for their anti-democratic stance when they do face their electorate in a General Election. Any honest MP should be in favour of answering to her/his electorate right now in order to sort this mess out.
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 11:45
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As the "D " word seems to be prominent, here's an offering from a source that may not meet with the wholehearted approval of many on here.......as this is "live" scroll down to a Mr V at 11.35.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-49807552
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 11:56
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Please refer to ricardian's excellent post on "Friday Jokes" (post #13064).
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 12:01
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FWIW re "democracy", part of Lady Hales speech..

Proroguing Parliament is quite different from Parliament going into recess. While Parliament is prorogued, neither House can meet, debate or pass legislation. Neither House can debate Government policy. Nor may members ask written or oral questions of Ministers or meet and take evidence in committees. In general, Bills which have not yet completed all their stages are lost and will have to start again from scratch after the Queen's Speech. During a recess, on the other hand, the House does not sit but Parliamentary business can otherwise continue as usual. This prolonged suspension of Parliamentary democracy took place in quite exceptional circumstances: the fundamental change which was due to take place in the Constitution of the United Kingdom on 31st October. Parliament, and in particular the House of Commons as the elected representatives of the people, has a right to a voice in how that change comes about. The effect upon the fundamentals of our democracy was extreme.
Full text here:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49810680
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 12:08
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Did Boris book his trip to NY through Thomas Cook?
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 12:13
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
There is no trust in the present political situation in Britain.

The only way out of this mess is for the real political judges, the people, to have a say
Considering " the fundamental change which was due to take place in the Constitution of the United Kingdom on 31st October ", wouldn't a - correctly redacted - referendum be appropriate ?

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Old 24th Sep 2019, 12:18
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I fail to see why people are assuming this is bad for Boris. People won't see that he has done anything wrong.

This will probably lead to the election he wanted anyway. An election that Corbyn and the others were so scared of agreeing to. Boris will be seen to have gone to extreme measures in order to get Brexit done after years of obstruction from the anti-democracy brigade.

I think this will end up playing well for him and they will win the next election with Labour being utterly destroyed.
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 12:22
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I agree in part with that. Labour are going to lose. The bit I am unsure about is whether The Tories ( note I don't say Boris) will win. Unless they are prepared to do a deal with Farage and Dick Tice but dim I don't think that they will get a majority.
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 12:38
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Originally Posted by felixflyer View Post
I fail to see why people are assuming this is bad for Boris. People won't see that he has done anything wrong.

This will probably lead to the election he wanted anyway. An election that Corbyn and the others were so scared of agreeing to. Boris will be seen to have gone to extreme measures in order to get Brexit done after years of obstruction from the anti-democracy brigade.

I think this will end up playing well for him and they will win the next election with Labour being utterly destroyed.
Ah, slight problem with your opening line. Boris has, allegedly, lied to the Queen. This doesn't go down well with many, irrespective of their political affiliations, plus, he's shown utter contempt for Parliamentary processes as he tried to get his own way....

There's also the little matter of the content in the link. Apparently, according to one contributor on here, this was two jobs ago, so no need to be even remotely concerned as to the relevance ............other than for the reasons mentioned and the fact he's now, possibly, the most untrustworthy PM in the UK's political history.

Your optimism about Labour being "utterly destroyed " is another JB favourite prediction.....Mystic Meg however, has no need to feel threatened in this respect. Even Glenn McGrath has been known to be more accurate....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...g-public-funds
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 12:42
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Parliament to resume at 11.30 tomorrow.

Will Boris advise another prorogation?
Will the Queen agree?
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 12:43
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I looks like someone has just unplugged the microphone.
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 12:44
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Farage has today come out and attacked Boris & Cummings for suspending parliament. I think brexiters will generally be behind the action no matter what the courts have decided and he will win back some supporters. Judging from comments back at Farage this appears to be the case.

17.4m people are still waiting for their last vote to be enacted and will vote for whoever looks most likely to make that happen. If there is no chance of the BP getting in power then they won't get the votes. Brexiters won't vote to make a point, they want out of the EU and whoever promises that will win the next election.
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 12:49
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Ah, slight problem with your opening line. Boris has, allegedly, lied to the Queen.
No he hasn't. To do so would suggest he already knew it would be unlawful, something that it took the supreme court to decide on.

Are you suggesting Boris had such intellect he already knew it was unlawful and so lied to HM? I though he was supposed to be an imbecile?
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 12:52
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He was wrong in his advice to HM, not the same as lying. In fact he can't have lied since the legality of the situation was only determined this am. However, surely he now has to resign?
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 13:02
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The DUP, having initially wlecomed the suspension and claimng the PM was “well within his rights” to do so,

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-38445433.html

... now fully support the courts findings.

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Old 24th Sep 2019, 13:08
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Originally Posted by felixflyer View Post
No he hasn't. To do so would suggest he already knew it would be unlawful, something that it took the supreme court to decide on.

Are you suggesting Boris had such intellect he already knew it was unlawful and so lied to HM? I though he was supposed to be an imbecile?
Boris is far from being an imbecile, but, he is very self obsessed and calculating when it comes to his aspirations. Plus, of course, we don't know how much "helpful advice " or direct instructions, take your pick, came from a certain adviser, initials D.C in this respect.

The questions posed in the link and "conflict of interest " aren't going to suddenly and conveniently vanish and not forgetting his promise about 31st October has to be delivered.....Boris, therefore, can hardly be said to be in a safe position...thanks entirely to himself.
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 13:18
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This judgment will be studied for years. It is THE case on Parliamentary sovereignty and the constitutional order of the UK.
I'm certain that it will be recognised by legal scholars in the years to come as a shocking piece of judicial activism.
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 13:22
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But we all heard the cries of 'unelected PM' when Boris took over. Are we to now have him resign to be replaced by another leader without a GE?

If Boris goes than it has to be election time. That election will be about one thing primarily and that is Brexit. Labour have made themselves irrelevant by refusing to take a stance and are too busy waving union & palestinian flags around while everyone else debates the most important issue facing the UK today.
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 13:25
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This mess has been caused by a referendum where Parliament has blocked carrying out the result for over three years. Another referendum will not be a solution.

Parliament is at odds with the people (even the BBC broadcasts constant 'on the street' interviews with previous Labour voters who have been saying very adamantly that they will never vote Labour again, so how representative are those Labour MPs of their constituencies any more? And I know that many on here will say "same about the Tories"). The only way of sorting it all out and having a fresh start is with a General Election. That will be the only way of bringing trust back into British politics. Anyone frustrating attempts to hold a General Election as soon as possible should be noted as being anti-democratic (if they are genuinely democratically-minded, why should they fear a General Election -- unless it is that they are fearful of ending up at the JobCentre without those cushy salaries?) and judged on that at the next Election.

The people should be the judges in democratic politics, not a handful of people in the legal profession.
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Old 24th Sep 2019, 13:41
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If we can step aside from the vitriol for a moment, can I ask a straight question?
Now that parliament has been recalled, will MPs be returning there and abandoning the Party conferences?
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