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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 11:39
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
The clock is ticking.
The UK has been granted an extension so they can have the deal ratified, not changed, though the EU is willing to help and will study any written realistic proposal for some of its articles.
Everybody in Europe is willing to avert the catastrophe of a no-deal exit. Everyone would suffer, the EU member states might recede by as much as 1% of GDP, whereas the UK might expect something on the order of -5%.
To date the UK government failed to come up with anything written, let alone realistic.
Will they be able to find something within the next few days ?

It takes time to examine any proposal, and what do we see : Brits arguing, not about how to prepare, but on who they *don't want* in the - possible - next majority.

Don't they see that if things turn out nasty, those big talking politician will seek cover, not try and manage the crisis the UK citizens will have brought upon themselves ?
The clock is ticking...
Unfortunately a large percentage of those who voted for Brexit seem quite content to keep repeating the mantra:-
“Brexit means Brexit, Respect the democratic will of the people, WTO is the way to go” etc etc.

Whether they care not about the consequences, have an inordinate amount of trust in the current government to sort things out or are just unwilling (or incapable) of thinking further ahead of 31st of October is a matter of debate.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 12:21
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At one time it may have been correct that those kind of polls would indicate a 100 seat majority, but those days have gone. If the LD's manage anything like 20%+ then swathes of Tory seats will fall because in times like these moderate Labour supporters who are Remainers will switch en masse to the my party offering Revoke. We now have two Brexit parties and one maybe Brexit party.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 13:53
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
At one time it may have been correct that those kind of polls would indicate a 100 seat majority, but those days have gone. If the LD's manage anything like 20%+ then swathes of Tory seats will fall because in times like these moderate Labour supporters who are Remainers will switch en masse to the my party offering Revoke. We now have two Brexit parties and one maybe Brexit party.
38% of the vote means nothing.

If 2 parties combine and put candidates up but tactically withdraw from any campaigning then Tories could get 38% of the vote and less than 100 seats. Allocation of seats bears no resemblance to vote share.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 14:01
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
If 2 parties combine and put candidates up but tactically withdraw from any campaigning then Tories could get 38% of the vote and less than 100 seats. Allocation of seats bears no resemblance to vote share.
Not sure that we and the Greens[#] and the nationalists can do that between us though, certainly not if the #brexit supporting parties (Tories, Labour, #Brexit, what's left of UKIP) get together and do the same thing.

[#] And I'm not even sure that the Greens are still remainers, after Lucas' astonishing attack on us, for wanting to remain, a few days ago.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 14:23
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It has occurred to me before now that the logical Green position is Leave. The reduced economic activity brought about by leaving the EU is in line with their thinking.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 14:24
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I think it fair to say that, in view of the comments by the various leaders and executives of the Labour, LibDem and Green parties in the last two weeks, the chances of any tactical voting deals seems remote.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 15:31
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Liberal democrats should be reported for trade descriptionsxas they are neither liberal or democrat any longer
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 16:01
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You couldn’t make it up.

Banner outside the Labour conference removed by Sussex police after being reported as antisemitic and inciting violence.....


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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 16:24
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Alas, ORAC's famed altruism was absent today when asked for a link about Boris...possibly overwhelmed by a surfeit of polls and stats which took prominence ......no matter.

Thankfully, the Guardian is available to report on the story.

As with all things Boris related, Boris's version of matters, may not entirely, and eventually, when he condescends to answer, reflect those of others involved......so, no possible "conflict of interest ", "abuse of public funds " and the inconvenient mention of a ( love this term, says so much really ) "close personal friend " .....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ennifer-arcuri
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 17:16
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Originally Posted by paulc View Post
Liberal democrats should be reported for trade descriptionsxas they are neither liberal or democrat any longer
And what do you make of "Conservatives" who, far from wanting to "conserve" anything (that's currently our role, slightly bizarrely), are actually hell-bent on destroying society?
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 17:24
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As previously hinted at...

Labour members call to 'redistribute' private schools' assets https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49786645

Labour once again proves that they have a grasp on the things that really matter.

The politics of envy at work.

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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:47
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Help............. they have run me through with a pipe cleaner and it is stuck





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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 06:42
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Gtw i assume by conserve you mean keep the uk tied to eu and so ignore 17.4 million who voted to leave. The liberal undemocrats would be a better name.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 07:13
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Just how is the LD position undemocratic? In the upcoming election the voters will have four choices. Brexit : Leave under any circumstances. Tory: virtually identical to Brexit. Labour : ? And Lib Dem: Remain. How more democratic can you get?

Presumably you favour removing the option that virtually every poll shows the majority position in the country now is. Hardly democratic is it?
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 07:31
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Originally Posted by paulc View Post
Gtw i assume by conserve you mean keep the uk tied to eu and so ignore 17.4 million who voted to leave. The liberal undemocrats would be a better name.
If 17.4 million vote for the Brexit Party the UK can leave on WTO rules and Nige can push it through with his majority.
The other 17 million can also vote as they wish.
Is that not democratic?
I have a feeling that you are less worried about protecting democracy and more worried that 17.4 million may not now vote to leave the EU.
Democracy is tested over time. Surely you are OK with that. Particularly as you are arguing to uphold the democracy of the 3rd Referendum. What of the democratic vote of the first two?
Is there a limit on time between referenda that I have missed?
You can't have it both ways and at the same time protect the one result you like. Delegated democracy is the way the UK does it. You will have your chance again in a few week. Don't waste your vote and enjoy the peculiarities of the infuriating democratic process.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 11:31
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Six seems to be the favoured number of the UK's PM's . Treeza, some will recall, denied six times she would call a GE......and duly did.

Here's Boris being, for Boris, strangely reticent to answer a few, well, six to be precise, perfectly valid questions........this is quite remarkable for Boris, given he's always had the ability to make glib, and insulting, and nowhere near the truth anyway, replies plus he's had over 24hrs to concoct , or have concocted for him, something that may sound plausible, but, sadly, that's all it does.

Still, all these little indiscretions and "errors of judgment " mount up and hopefully, will also contribute to him being an ex PM.....sooner rather than later

.https://www.theguardian.com/politics...unds-to-friend
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 11:40
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Nice to see McDonnell coming out with all the policies leaked - expropriation of company shares, four day week with no reduction in pay etc. Not sure which manifesto will end up with the title the Longest Suicide Note in History - that of Foot or Corbyn, we will have to wait for it to be printed and count the pages........
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 11:52
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Nice to see that nice Mr Gove has his Brexit priorities right,
"If we make the wrong decisions we will see faith in our democracy damaged and confidence in the Conservative Party drain away. We are on the edge of peril. "
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 13:19
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So KnC wants to discuss Boris’ decisions six years and two jobs ago but won’t even acknowledge the sheer inanity of Labour’s (lack of) position on the most important issue we’ve faced for decades? Firstly they expected the EU to renegotiate an agreement despite Labour saying they would then campaign against it 🤪. And now, apart from blocking everything, they have no policy at all. Really: vote Labour without even knowing whether they want to stay or leave.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 16:02
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The Labour lunatics have escaped the asylum and are currently in Brighton.
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