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Old 15th Sep 2019, 10:25
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It looks like Cameron is trying to get the knife in, he must have run out of toys to throw out of his pram.

He accuses Boris of 'helping his career' yet ignores that fact the he stepped aside to give Theresa a clear run. Maybe he wasn't? Having run London for several years he probably had his ear to the ground.
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 13:07
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
It looks like Cameron is trying to get the knife in, he must have run out of toys to throw out of his pram.

He accuses Boris of 'helping his career' yet ignores that fact the he stepped aside to give Theresa a clear run. Maybe he wasn't? Having run London for several years he probably had his ear to the ground.
Anybody who followed Boris knew what he was upn to. If he was such a Brexiteer he wouldn't have dilly dallied for weeks before deciding which way to jump. It was all about expediency to make him PM, he expected and wanted Brexit side to lose but damaging Call Me Dave so he had to step down and Boris is the Knight on a White Charger getting a deal from EU as the hero.

Instead the voters didn't play ball, which is why Boris didn't stand in 2016 and now instead of a Knight on a White Charger, he looks like a broken down donkey on a blind and lame ass, desperate to sell something he doesn't believe in and hoping nobody finds him out.
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 17:59
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49706643

As a remainer who who would like nothing more than to see Brexit cancelled, I really don't see that doing so without referral to the public through referendum is a great decision. The journey towards leaving the EU was decided by a (small) majority, and it seems completely wrong for it to be stopped by MPs, or a government. The decision may well backfire on Jo Swinson and her team - I hope not, but I fear the worst.
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 18:34
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Agreed. It's too late now and we can't go back to 2016 and start again.
I don't consider that the LibDems are offering a practical alternative - mainly because very unfortunately there isn't one.
I'll be staying at home for the next election.
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 21:09
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49706643

As a remainer who who would like nothing more than to see Brexit cancelled, I really don't see that doing so without referral to the public through referendum is a great decision. The journey towards leaving the EU was decided by a (small) majority, and it seems completely wrong for it to be stopped by MPs, or a government. The decision may well backfire on Jo Swinson and her team - I hope not, but I fear the worst.
I'm an avowed Leaver but have much sympathy with the above. Of course it's wrong for the decision of the majority - regardless of its size - to be thwarted by MPs, the government and, most particularly, the judiciary who have no legitimate business in this affair. Jo Swinson has a rather more dramatic impact than her immediate predecessor but limiting the Lib-Dems to a single platform plank defined as the infantile "Bollocks to Brexit" will not encourage support from the more cerebral sections of the electorate.

I take a different view of Boris. I am quite sure that if he had not been shafted by the perfidious Gove, the ghastly Theresa May would not have been appointed, we would not have wasted 3 years, would not now be in this awful state of division and we would be enjoying some of the initial fruits of independence. For different reasons, I too fear the worst; the worst being the installation of a covertly Communist government. God help us all.
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 22:44
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I am not a LibDem supporter but I can't argue with their proposal. It is based upon the (extremely unlikely) idea that they would win a majority in a General Election. Including the cancelling of Art 50 in their manifesto would imply that all those who voted for them in a General Election have agreed to the cancellation.
What does intrigue me about all this is the constant reference to a "People's Vote". Does this imply there is another sort of vote available? A dog's vote? A large collection of acorns vote etc? As far as I am aware, people are the only class of creature that is currently allowed to vote so drop the "people's" part. It is a given.
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 00:57
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Happened across this and found it particularly excruciating.
Headmaster castigating and errant schoolboy springs to mind but the body language, the stammering, obfuscation, deflection and back stabbing of fellow ERG members is astonishing.

Andrew Bridgen being torn apart by a grown up... and I though only Diane Abbott was capable of Diane Abbott moments!

It's nearly 1/2 hour long so you might want to allocate time. Bless him, at the end he couldn't get out quick enough.


For the record I'm a soft remoaner who's been working through my 'Brexiteering 101' book to try and get on board with the idea.
I'm afraid things like this, the Bungling Blond Buffoon and the Megamillion Mogg are making it very difficult.
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 04:04
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
I am not a LibDem supporter but I can't argue with their proposal. It is based upon the (extremely unlikely) idea that they would win a majority in a General Election. Including the cancelling of Art 50 in their manifesto would imply that all those who voted for them in a General Election have agreed to the cancellation.
What does intrigue me about all this is the constant reference to a "People's Vote". Does this imply there is another sort of vote available? A dog's vote? A large collection of acorns vote etc? As far as I am aware, people are the only class of creature that is currently allowed to vote so drop the "people's" part. It is a given.
The ERG and Eurosceptics have been asking for one for years. Had one. Have two. Just a check of current opinion on Brexit. Then one on who will next run the country.
It's probably the order of play over the next few months. Politics changes. Life moves on. It's not a new concept.
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 06:11
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The LibDems problem in their old secure, leave voting, seat area of the South-West.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...xit-interview/
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 06:15
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Despicable is the word that comes to mind.....

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...ron-editorial/

The Guardian apologises for David Cameron editorial

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Old 16th Sep 2019, 06:29
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Despicable is the word that comes to mind.....

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...ron-editorial/

The Guardian apologises for David Cameron editorial







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Old 16th Sep 2019, 06:41
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For those who think the Lib Dems are the clever ones.

This from the Spectator. You can listen online. But it is even worse when you do.

There are plenty of ways to go about winning an election if you’re fighting to become an MP, from coming up with a winning electoral strategy, to tapping into a burning local issue. The one thing you probably shouldn’t do though is start off by insulting your local constituents.

The North Devon Liberal Democrat candidate Kirsten Johnson learned that the hard way this lunchtime when she appeared on Radio 4’s World at One. Asked by the presenter why Leave was so popular in her local area in 2016, Johnson began the interview by suggesting that North Devon voted to Leave because no ethnic minorities lived there, and her constituents didn’t travel very much:

‘Demographically it’s 98 per cent white. We don’t have a lot of ethnic minorities living in North Devon. People aren’t exposed to people from other countries. They don’t travel a lot…’

Unfortunately the interview didn’t get much better from there. Johnson was asked by the presenter what the number of ethnic minority voters in her constituency had to do with the Brexit vote. A flustered Johnson replied that:‘I didn’t mean to mean that it has anything to do with it all. I was just saying that when I speak to people I am hearing comments to me, it refers to race. You’ve got me in a corner here.
Oops. Pressed again on the subject, the Liberal Democrat candidate added that:‘I think my concern is the rise of hate crimes, and the rise of people not being able to accept otherness.’
Before being forced to add:‘No, I do not link all Leave voters to hate crime, not at all. I need to make that absolutely clear…’
Finally, asked what the connection was between voting Leave and wanting to be out of the European Union and hate crime, Johnson replied:‘I’m saying that because of the um…’
And left her answer there – which might have been for the best, considering how badly the interview was going so far.
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 07:12
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The LibDem Glee Club hold their conference party and singsong tonight. Their new MOs will attend and be welcomed with the following song....

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Old 16th Sep 2019, 07:19
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Political gossip column in Mail on Sunday.......

........Which prominent member of Jeremy Corbyn's frontbench team is using expensive lawyers Carter-Ruck to try to suppress a negative story about their adult offspring?

I'm reminded of what Labour's Deputy Leader Tom Watson said a few months ago about 'using expensive media lawyers in an attempt to silence' being 'as futile as it is stupid. It's not the Labour way and I deplore it.'........

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Old 16th Sep 2019, 07:31
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Originally Posted by OilCan View Post
Happened across this and found it particularly excruciating.
Headmaster castigating and errant schoolboy springs to mind but the body language, the stammering, obfuscation, deflection and back stabbing of fellow ERG members is astonishing.

Andrew Bridgen being torn apart by a grown up... and I though only Diane Abbott was capable of Diane Abbott moments!

It's nearly 1/2 hour long so you might want to allocate time. Bless him, at the end he couldn't get out quick enough.

UK, EU relationship will 'never be the same again' | Conflict Zone - YouTube

For the record I'm a soft remoaner who's been working through my 'Brexiteering 101' book to try and get on board with the idea.
I'm afraid things like this, the Bungling Blond Buffoon and the Megamillion Mogg are making it very difficult.
Bridgen is has come over as moderately incompetent on previous occasions. Many months ago he was pontificating about the effects (or not) of a hard Brexit on the international logistics industry and the flow of good between the EU and UK, during which he claimed he had had a career in the sector. If he did, which I doubt, his experience delivering washed and bagged salad across the UK to supermarkets and the like, there is no evidence of him being in any serious way involved in cross border logistics, and the answers he gave in the radio discussion proved that he was totally incompetent on the sector, and was torn apart by other guests in the discussion from, and I can't remember which, either the Road Haulage or Freight Transport associations.

Before writing this, I took the trouble to check the wiki page on him, and it reads as though he is another "barrow boy" entrepreneur, in the mould of Mike Ashley, with some alleged unpleasantness against the fairer fairer sex, and healthy dose of hypocrisy thrown in for good measure.

He needed taking apart in the manner that Deutsche Welle did. It's just a shame the demolition job hasn't seen wider coverage.
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 13:19
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Is Jeremy Corbyn preparing to purge moderate Labour MPs?

Ahead of the looming general election, moderate Labour MPs are understandably upset by an instruction they say the party has given to suspend the selection of new candidates in seats where the serving MP is retiring one r has defected. They’ve been told the reason is to ‘concentrate on the trigger ballot processes’ – or the deselection of usually moderate MPs who have alienated activists.

See the below email by a Labour official for detail.



What moderate MPs fear is that there is tacit support from Labour’s leadership for a purge of MPs from the right of the party. They are worried that the suspension of the selection process in seats where there is already a vacancy will allow Labour’s ruling NEC to impose candidates it favours from the left shortly before the election (because there won’t be time for the normal selection process).

‘They (the leadership) are more interested in deselecting MPs than defeating Tory ones in an election,’ one troubled Labour MP told me.

Maybe this is all cock-up rather than conspiracy. But if it isn’t a concerted purge by Corbynistas and the left, it is still massively destabilising for Labour MPs as they prepare to go to the polls.

After seeing the above claims, a Labour source responded, saying to me that the ‘selection debacle is just one major cock-up’. Labour HQ staff allegedly ‘misunderstood’ what they were supposed to tell constituency parties and ‘f****d the whole thing up’, such that ‘everyone is now up in arms’.
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 20:40
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I appreciate that Leavers find life much simpler if they skip over the finer details of the Tory Party involvement in Brexit, but to suggest that Johnson "stepped aside to allow the Maybot to become PM" indicates the existence of a parallel Universe!! Johnson was politically knifed by his 'special' friend Govey - a sort of cross between Worzel Gummidge and Mr Pooter, with the ethics of the late, unlamented Mugabe. It appears that there are otherwise sensible people who are not just willing, but eager, to encourage this motley bunch of self-absorbed incompetents to take control of the country! Ther may be a case in some parts of the world for mendacity to be regarded as a suitable trait for high (even highest) office but here? How has this come to pass?
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 21:07
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I don’t know how this has come to pass. But in addition the tragedy here is that there is no opposition party that can seriously be considered a credible alternative. I can’t see myself marking an x anywhere next election time
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 22:03
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to suggest that Johnson "stepped aside to allow the Maybot to become PM" indicates the existence of a parallel universe!!
Yes this also struck me as a particularly fanciful re-remembering of quite recent history. Personally I think in addition to the back-stabbing from Gove, Johnson recognised that Brexit was politically undeliverable and has waited out the arduous and futile process of trying to deliver a transition “deal” only to go for some proper brinkmanship come what may. But he has no vision. Only jingoistic platitudes for we “lions” (my pride down on the savanna yawned in unison). The man is a complete w*anker.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 10:22
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You speculate, ORAC, that reports of this latest Labour purge may be cock-up rather than conspiracy: Seriously? This is simply business as usual for Corbyn. Can you name any hard-left regime from any historical period anywhere on the planet which DIDN’T behave like this?
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