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Old 10th Sep 2019, 09:56
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From the Grauniad......

”In Greek mythology, the goddess Athena did assist Hercules as an ally during the performance of his 12 labours...... But it is perhaps her most dramatic intervention in the life of Hercules that Varadkar was obliquely referring to.

Hercules was obliged to perform the 12 labours as an act of penitence after he had descended into madness and murdered his wife, Megara, and his children. At the moment he was about to go on and kill the man who had fostered him, Amphitryon, Athena intervened. Seeing that he had gone mad, she struck Hercules down and knocked him out to prevent him causing more bloodshed and doing more damage than he had already done.

Very much what you would hope for from a friend and ally, but maybe not what you would want to hear on the international stage at a moment of tense diplomacy.........”


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Old 10th Sep 2019, 10:04
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
The facts of the acquittal were made clear in the article racedo and not misrepresented as you allege. But there was no mistake or doubts over the convictions of the two IRA activists Corbyn invited to parliament soon after the Brighton bomb murders. And I suppose his friends in Hamas and Hezbollah are just innocent victims of Daily Mail smears?
ShotOne I agree with your point but the world has moved on. The Queen shook hands. So did various PMS and Ministers. The here and now is the order of the day.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 10:25
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
Bercow is going to stand down on 31-Oct or earlier if a snap election is called.
The list for the next Speaker?

Harriet Harman. Really? It's a ten year job.
Next?
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 11:42
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Originally Posted by Islandlad View Post
The list for the next Speaker?

Harriet Harman. Really? It's a ten year job.
Next?
No it’s not, the Speaker is appointed for each Parliament. However as they mostly choose their own departure date it can be longer.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 11:53
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If this was just about who his friends were thirty years ago I would agree. But it’s not; Corbyn seems fundamentally on the side of any despot or terrorist just so long as they hate us. There’s little to defend about the Venezuelan or Iranian governments but that doesn’t stop him trying. He can only just bring himself to criticise even ISIS if balanced by denouncing British colonialism in Kenya sixty years ago in the same sentence.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 11:54
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Originally Posted by Islandlad View Post
ShotOne I agree with your point but the world has moved on. The Queen shook hands. So did various PMS and Ministers. The here and now is the order of the day.
Written warning- cut out the common sense or yer out mate!

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Old 10th Sep 2019, 12:45
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
From the Grauniad......

”In Greek mythology, the goddess Athena did assist Hercules as an ally during the performance of his 12 labours...... But it is perhaps her most dramatic intervention in the life of Hercules that Varadkar was obliquely referring to.

Hercules was obliged to perform the 12 labours as an act of penitence after he had descended into madness and murdered his wife, Megara, and his children. At the moment he was about to go on and kill the man who had fostered him, Amphitryon, Athena intervened. Seeing that he had gone mad, she struck Hercules down and knocked him out to prevent him causing more bloodshed and doing more damage than he had already done.

Very much what you would hope for from a friend and ally, but maybe not what you would want to hear on the international stage at a moment of tense diplomacy.........”


...nice one, that certainly went way over my head.

I did however understand the Irish PM when he said "Realistic, Legally binding and Workable" when referring to the alternatives.

I also understood the bit where he said "but we haven't received such proposals todate".
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 14:32
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There are other candidates for the Speaker's chair

Sir Edward Leigh - Conservative
Chris Bryant - Labour
Eleanor Laing - Conservative (ex Deputy Speaker)
Pete Wishart - SNP
Lindsay Hoyle - Labour (current Deputy Speaker)
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 15:00
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Enjoy

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Old 10th Sep 2019, 15:09
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J H-B interview without the URL

'... are you interviewing yourself?' classic!
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 15:57
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I didn't enjoy it as it just reminded me of the times my teenage daughter used to try and justify not cleaning her room or getting up in time for school.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 16:52
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The journal Le Monde lists the possibilities left to BJ :
- Trying and voluntarily lose a vote of confidence, in order to force a new government and elections
- Resigning in October in order to not keep his obligation to ask for another extension...

So much for "He'll keep his promise lest he lose all credibility", "We're leaving, period"...
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 17:00
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Leave voters outnumber SNP voters in half the SNP Westminster MP seats......

https://order-order.com/2019/09/10/l...minster-seats/
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 17:18
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I fully expect the result in the forthcoming General election, whenever it may be, will be more reminiscent of 2015 than 2017. The Tories are dead in Scotland, Boris in and Ruth out has seen to that.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 18:19
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
The facts of the acquittal were made clear in the article racedo and not misrepresented as you allege.


Oh but they were and the article was changed as is common to put a different spin on it.

Even the first words of the article show the intent. How could someone be a convicted IRA bomber when they were never in the IRA.

But there was no mistake or doubts over the convictions of the two IRA activists Corbyn invited to parliament soon after the Brighton bomb murders. And I suppose his friends in Hamas and Hezbollah are just innocent victims of Daily Mail smears?
So now you are blaming Corbyn for inviting 2 innocent people into the House of Commons because at the time they had not been arrested, charged or convicted of any offence. Police were incompetent in being unable to gather evidence about who was responsible for the Brighton bombing, hardly the fault of Jeremy Corbyn ?
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 18:22
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Guido Fawkes “Quote of the Day”.....

In response to Dominic Grieve’s rumoured plans to request the Government hand over private communication about prorogation to Parliament, Cummings said:

“For a supposedly adequate lawyer who loves the ECHR, Grieve doesn’t seem to realise that his request for private messages is blatantly illegal and will be rejected by the Cabinet Office. We love the rule of law in No10.”.......
The use of private communications means for Govt business means they are Govt property.

After all if they have nothing to hide then why are they not allowing it to be published.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 18:24
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
If this was just about who his friends were thirty years ago I would agree. But it’s not; Corbyn seems fundamentally on the side of any despot or terrorist just so long as they hate us. There’s little to defend about the Venezuelan or Iranian governments but that doesn’t stop him trying. He can only just bring himself to criticise even ISIS if balanced by denouncing British colonialism in Kenya sixty years ago in the same sentence.
Strange because news I read is that Venezualan or Iranian Govts do not hate the British, they just want British to stop interfering in their country.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 18:29
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I'd like to share your optimism, but if the LibDems won more than 100 seats I'd be astonished, 50 - 75 is probably nearer the mark, provided anti Brexit voters think before putting their cross in the box.

The result you forecast could result in another pig in a poke. Jo Swinson won't work with Corbyn; Corbyn won't give way for another more acceptable PM, and the SNP will exact a very high price for supporting the LibDem / Labour coalition (the £1bn that the DUP extracted from Theresa May would pail into insignificance. Would Swinson make the mistake of working with the Tories, given how they were shafted last time? They lost out on the half baked PR proposal, and had their programme for much increased income tax thresholds hijacked as a Tory policy.
Parties will work with parties provided their program or part of it is implemented.

Ian Paisley proved that when he was more than happy to work with Martin McGuinness, no doubt they swapped war stories of people they had helped kill.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 22:15
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Leave voters outnumber SNP voters in half the SNP Westminster MP seats......

https://order-order.com/2019/09/10/l...minster-seats/

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This is FAKE news of the highest order.

Firstly, the referendum was a simple binary vote so the votes could only go 1 of 2 places. The election on the other hand had probably 5+ candidates and possibly more, so the votes would be more distributed and therefore lower. In fact the surprise is they're so close!!

Secondly, the referendum voting areas in Scotland were based on local council areas not parliamentary constituencies as per else where so direct comparison of the figures are misleading at best.

In short; poppycock.

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Old 11th Sep 2019, 00:40
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Not to mention Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain so any future GE with leave/remain as a feature would result in tactical voting with far different results. And the Scottish Tory party is in absolute disarray and opposes Brexit.
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