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Old 6th Sep 2019, 21:20
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Effluent Man;
[color=left=#000000]After all it's less of a stretch than changing PM on the say so of a few thousand wealthy codgers.[/color]
How wealthy were the Labour Party Members who voted for Gordon Brown to be PM? Oh, it didn't matter, they weren't given the choice when the sainted Tony passed the mantle to Gordy! Democracy?
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 21:21
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Gertie; no matter how many times you call them lies they are still true!

Apologies, the initial proposer was Harold Wilson!

[QUOTE[b=left]Fact No. 2.[COLOR=left=#000066] No important new policy can be decided in Brussels or anywhere else without the consent of a British Minister answerable to a British Government and British Parliament.[/COLOR]][/QUOTE]
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 22:06
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Remainers might have got themselves into an unfortunate chicken and egg situation on insisting that Boris come back with an extension before they’ll vote for a general election.....

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...n-remainer-mp/

”FRANCE has warned Remainer MPs the EU won’t automatically grant another Brexit extension just to help them stop No Deal.

Emmanuel Macron’s Europe minister Amelie de Montchalin questioned why the bloc would agree to a further delay “without changing anything”. Her remarks came after Michel Barnier told EU ambassadors that talks with Britain are now “in a state of paralysis” due to the turmoil in Westminster.

Speaking in France, Mme de Montchalin said it defied belief to think anything would change in Britain in six months – let alone a further three months. Describing the situation in Westminster as a “bit blocked”, she said: “When I hear the British saying ‘give us three months more and we will solve the problem’, we can see that another six months would not solve the problem, nor another three months. They have to be able to tell us what they want. We know what they don’t want but we are still struggling to understand what they do want.”

She spoke out amid a hardening of attitudes in Brussels and EU capitals towards granting Britain more time. An EU diplomat said: “I think there is no extension at all unless there is a General Election. Why would we? For what purpose? Being the background music to the showdown in London has its limits.”......






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Old 6th Sep 2019, 22:27
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Remainers might have got themselves into an unfortunate chicken and egg situation on insisting that Boris come back with an extension before they’ll vote for a general election.....

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...n-remainer-mp/

”FRANCE has warned Remainer MPs the EU won’t automatically grant another Brexit extension just to help them stop No Deal.

Emmanuel Macron’s Europe minister Amelie de Montchalin questioned why the bloc would agree to a further delay “without changing anything”. Her remarks came after Michel Barnier told EU ambassadors that talks with Britain are now “in a state of paralysis” due to the turmoil in Westminster.

Speaking in France, Mme de Montchalin said it defied belief to think anything would change in Britain in six months – let alone a further three months. Describing the situation in Westminster as a “bit blocked”, she said: “When I hear the British saying ‘give us three months more and we will solve the problem’, we can see that another six months would not solve the problem, nor another three months. They have to be able to tell us what they want. We know what they don’t want but we are still struggling to understand what they do want.”

She spoke out amid a hardening of attitudes in Brussels and EU capitals towards granting Britain more time. An EU diplomat said: “I think there is no extension at all unless there is a General Election. Why would we? For what purpose? Being the background music to the showdown in London has its limits.”......
The EU representatives always speak so politely.

I'm sure what they would rather like to say is "We are sick and tired of your vacillation. We are prepared for you to go, so just fcuk off and get it over with!"
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 22:39
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Sallyann; Amen to that sentiment. Please UK Parliament listen to Mme de Montchalin
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 23:20
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Sallyann; Amen to that sentiment. Please UK Parliament listen to Mme de Montchalin
I'd go along with that. Just #RevokeA50 FFS and get back to real life.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 00:09
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
I'd go along with that. Just #RevokeA50 FFS and get back to real life.
Real life is gone I'm afraid. We all now live in a weird alternative universe where nothing makes sense.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 03:29
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I figured months ago that grabbing a chair and popcorn and watching UK pull itself apart was the likely outcome.

It is happening and the Vacumn will be filled just as it has been in other countrys with extremist demagogues and likely violence.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 07:59
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Indeed, Sallyann as you say, why not just f*** off and get on with it. Except parliament is expressly and smugly blocking that. To the infuriation of the electorate and EU alike.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 08:05
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You have to feel sorry for Jeremy Corbyn. Owing to his Brexit "flip-flopping" and his desire to implement a Marxist agenda via the back door, he can no longer "sign off" his missives using the customary "Yours sincerely" or "I remain yours".
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 08:16
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Originally Posted by frampton View Post
You have to feel sorry for Jeremy Corbyn. Owing to his Brexit "flip-flopping" and his desire to implement a Marxist agenda via the back door, he can no longer "sign off" his missives using the customary "Yours sincerely" or "I remain yours".
That's interesting to learn, well apart from your contracting the default JB induced paranoia about a future Labour Gov't that is..... and you are far from alone here you will be pleased to learn.

Possibly then you could show us the parts of Labour's manifesto which directly, or even indirectly, demonstrate their intent to "implement a Marxist agenda" .............please.

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Old 7th Sep 2019, 08:38
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Since you ask, there’s the nationalisation/state seizure of utilities. With no word on how (or whether!) the countless billions will be paid. There’s the enforced discounted sale of private rental property, another seizure in all but name. Then there’s the confiscation of 10%of the shares in all companies with over 250 employees. That do for starters?
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 08:40
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow View Post
Sallyann; Amen to that sentiment. Please UK Parliament listen to Mme de Montchalin
Mme de Monchalin may be a minister in the French government, but it is the EU27, not the French, Germans, Romanians or any other single government or person that will decide the UK's fate as regards a further extension to Art.50, it is the EU as a whole, by consensus, a word and concept that UK politicians simply fail to understand.

My opinion is that the EU should tell the UK to take a running jump; however my gut tells me that they will accept another 3 months, so facilitate the election, in the hope a government will be be formed that can move forward, be that cancelling Art.50, coming to a pragmatic solution, or jumping of the no deal cliff. Any of those three would need to get through parliament, but a government with a positively remain or leave complexion, might be able to achieve that.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 11:20
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Watching the House of Lords yesterday, while they were debating amendments to the anti "no deal" Brexit Bill, I was struck by a particular piece of mumbling, rambling piece of waffle from a flim flam man, Lord James of Blackheath. He got my attention when he claimed that the EU is about to force our soldiers to 'cancel' their oath to Her Majesty and to swear undying loyalty to the EU instead. He also claimed that UK forces, presumably my old lot Royal Signals, have been installing Command & Control Centre kit in Europe, to be used by the EU to take control of GCHQ, MI5 et al. I knew something wasn't right about this bloke when the Lady sat next to him was heard prompting him and telling what to do next, such as 'Sit down, 'Close your remarks now' etc. Eventually, he was persuaded to withdraw his amendment, sit down and shut up.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 11:54
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At this point given that the Tories majority is gone. The DUP is now irrelevant. A Northern Ireland only backstop might fly. The DUP would be enraged but literally no one cares what they think.

The whole backstop thing is a red herring anyway. It only kicks in in the event of a breakdown in the trade deal talks.

Fundamentally no one in Britain cares a fig about Northern Ireland. A referendum in Britain would see it handed over to the Republic overnight.

The fact is that effectively the NI issue has blocked Brexit.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 12:02
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Speaking of idiots, can anybody here confirm my suspicion that Johnson was wearing a Veteran's lapel badge during his appearance in Wakefield?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49612757
It certainly looks like one. If it is, then I will join the volunteer ditch digging brigade!
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 12:48
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The British papers and their reporting.......

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Old 7th Sep 2019, 13:50
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Originally Posted by Steepclimb View Post
A referendum in Britain would see it handed over to the Republic overnight.

The fact is that effectively the NI issue has blocked Brexit.
I was in Cork at the weekend. None of my Paddy rellies want the mess that would be a united Ireland. Interested as to how in step they are with the wider Irish thinking.

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Old 7th Sep 2019, 14:06
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The prayer at Sunday mass was always, “we pray for a United Ireland”.... sotto voce...... “but not just yet”...
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 14:18
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Survation Poll:

Best PM

Boris 46%
Don't know 29%
Corbyn 26%

Political class serving best interests of country

No 75%
Yes 13%
D/k 12%

Should there be an early election

Yes 48%
No 31%
D/k 20%

Corbyn PM v No Deal

No Deal 52%
Corbyn 31%
D/k 17%
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