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Old 28th Aug 2019, 12:03
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They always do don't they? I wonder how many Remainers the Payday lenders have on their books.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 12:06
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Erm. not quite . If this event was as you perceive it, then the furore would be non existent . It's a conniving political move which also demonstrates his disdain for democracy and how obsessed Boris is with himself and his future status.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632
Yelllow vest proposal soon coming to London no doubt.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 12:27
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You mean they got stitched up?
Yep, darn it
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 12:40
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After Bercow's driving a coach and horses through Erskine May to conspire with the fanatical remainers, it's a bit rich to accuse Boris of political machinations.

John Major prorogued the HofC for a much longer period to try to conceal the cash for questions scandal, a much more sleazy manoeuvre.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 12:53
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I have never been on a demo before as to be honest I have not felt that strongly about any issues, despite my age, but this action by BJ scares the hell out of me. It will be interesting experience BEING ON A DEMO and being in the construction industry I have many yellow vests.

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Old 28th Aug 2019, 12:57
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Originally Posted by Fitter2 View Post
After Bercow's driving a coach and horses through Erskine May to conspire with the fanatical remainers, it's a bit rich to accuse Boris of political machinations.

John Major prorogued the HofC for a much longer period to try to conceal the cash for questions scandal, a much more sleazy manoeuvre.
Problem at the moment is it appears that our unwritten "constitution" actually consists of a selection of parts of dusty tomes (such as Erskine May) which our politicians seem to be able to dip in and out at well, depending on circumstances.....

"Mr Speaker, I thanks my honourable friend for his observation, in particular his reference to High Court Ruling of 1845 on but the matter by way of return I feel para 5 of the 1855 Act, Hackney Carriages and the disposal of Horse Ordure" might be more relevant, and sets the precedent... and I commend the motion to the House......

I know suggesting a modern written constitution sounds a bit colonial/continental, and is probably exactly the sort of thing Brexit is meant to prevent but maybe it's high time for Westminster to actually have a set of rules.......

Yes on second thoughts..I know, politicians, rules...
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 12:58
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I have never been on a demo before as to be honest I have not felt that strongly about any issues, despite my age, but this action by BJ scares the hell out of me. It will be interesting experience BEING ON A DEMO and being in the construction industry I have many yellow vests.

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Old 28th Aug 2019, 13:01
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John Major prorogued the HofC for a much longer period to try to conceal the cash for questions scandal, a much more sleazy manoeuvre.
23 DAYS.

Boris is doing it for 5 WEEKS!
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 13:06
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https://www.iaindale.com/articles/ca...-as-we-know-it

I know the hype has started, but if you want to read a calm summation of what this actually means, see above.

It won't stop the hysterical nonsense be spouted, but some of the comments are already just plain wrong.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 13:13
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac View Post
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I have never been on a demo before as to be honest I have not felt that strongly about any issues, despite my age, but this action by BJ scares the hell out of me. It will be interesting experience BEING ON A DEMO and being in the construction industry I have many yellow vests.
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Nothing scary about being on one.

Was on the one prior to Iraq war in London, stayed with friends in Sussex on day before, told it would be big but clear getting train in how big, many people never on a march before were there of all ages. Having travelled up on Saturdays before to London it was the sheer numbers waiting on trains that astounded me.

Friends pointed out some arch Tories with back ground services they knew who drinking coffee on platform with couple of guys they knew were Socialist Workers Party.

Just as I figured this would destroys Tony Blair's legacy I feel this will latest thing will destroy Tories. People see through stuff like this.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 13:15
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Problem at the moment is it appears that our unwritten "constitution" actually consists of a selection of parts of dusty tomes
Think of it as the political equivalent of Common Law...
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 13:33
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This is still on the statute book

. Clauses 39 & 40: The right to trial by jury

"No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgement of his equals or by the law of the land."To no one will we sell, to no one deny or delay right or justice. No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled . nor will we proceed with force against him . except by the lawful judgement of his equals or by the law of the land. " https://www.ft.com/content/790e4328-...3-6c13e5c92914
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 13:38
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Beyond a shadow of doubt,what this does prove is the opposition are totally hopeless,only yesterday they were trying to form some kind of unity against the P.M. and yet not one of them had seen this coming,this is the outrage.They are not fit for purpose.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 14:06
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Taken from he BBC report .......

" The leader of the DUP, Arlene Foster, also welcomed the decision to suspend Parliament and have a Queen's Speech, but said the terms of her party's confidence and supply agreement with the Conservatives would now be reviewed "

Never look a gift horse as they say, and up pops Arlene.....it's the last bit which is not so subtle really. In essence, Boris, you need our votes, so, how about another wee donation ..or, sadly, your already minimal majority gets wiped out.

Suppliers of orange dye and fabric, plus pallets for Sandy Row, will be delighted to read they will continue to be funded thanks to Arlene's astute political blackmail ....
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 14:21
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Arlene might be less pleased if it turns out that any 'deal' BJ brings back from Brussels includes a NI only backstop. Which would likely be approved by the MPs in the face of the no deal cliff edge.

But isn't this absolutely a most cynical coup on the part of the government? If it ends in a no deal the Torys are finished once the consequences are clear. Quite possibly the UK itself.

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Old 28th Aug 2019, 14:29
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If it ends in a no deal the Torys are finished once the consequences are clear.
Who says so?
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 14:41
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But isn't this absolutely a most cynical coup on the part of the government? If it ends in a no deal the Torys are finished once the consequences are clear. Quite possibly the UK itself.
They have already lost my life-long voting loyalty, for one.

But I suspect that people will in general just roll over on this one. They are totally p!ssed off with the whole sordid squabbling business and just want to see an end to it.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 15:28
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They have already lost my life-long voting loyalty, for one.

But I suspect that people will in general just roll over on this one. They are totally p!ssed off with the whole sordid squabbling business and just want to see an end to it.
Not so sure they will roll over.
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 15:54
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Health Secretary Matt Hancock’s take in June:

Presumably his silence today is due to him working on his resignation letter

His headline: “Proroguing Parliament undermines parliamentary democracy and risks a general election. I rule it out and call on all candidates to do the same”
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 15:55
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Not so sure they will roll over.
A few momentumistas will hurl some rocks at people but otherwise UK won't be on fire.

Interesting that had this been a prorogue at remoaner's behest the chant would have been "sovereignty, isn't that what you voted for, naah nah na nah nah."

However as it is a "leave prorogue" the remoaniacs are just getting shriller and shriller. Soon only dogs will be able to hear them.

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