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Old 11th Aug 2019, 12:04
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So. If I understand well!?. A while back, you are in the gutter... you BEG to join a club having been rejected twice and being helped by the FMI. You get back in the saddle and profit from the generous investments of your Europeen partners, Water boards, Train Companies, Electricity production and infrastructures, Banking, Car making, Aero-industry etc... etc... and then, when we are so intricately interdependant you decide it is the end of the Game and it's going to be Your Rules alone... But you want to keep all the benefits of being in this Club and "spit in the Soup" when all this while you already had a series of "Special Deals" in your favour! You must be joking. If you go from partner to competitor, why should the EU give you the knife to stab them??
Nothing much has changed since Bossuet's Perfidious Albion.
No, you do not understand well. If Junker, Barnier and Tusk continue to act as the three wise monkeys and will not countenance further negotiations, then it will not be an optimum outcome for either side.

I think you are confusing a withdrawal agreement with a trading agreement yet to be negotiated.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 06:20
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England lost the first Test match.....the rest of the series to follow .......so here's our retaliation . Enter " I'm skint !" Nige .

No doubt all of these comments will have been " taken completely out of context" .....this is well established refrain from Nige after all, but they may not go down too well with the supporters of his latest reincarnation of himself many of whom probably hold said family dear to their hearts.

Still, when you've effectively irreparably damaged the UK, maybe pastures new beckon and what better location than 17000miles / 10500 kms ( as the crow flies and to round figures before the navigation pedants descend in force ) away to lay down your new roots....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...er-cpac-brexit
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 08:42
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Pedant mode to "ON", you swapped the km and miles over, and "OFF".
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 14:31
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Ah ah ah, NoelEvans, what were you doing in the country of Yellow Vest, as you call them ?
BTW confusing a commuter train with an Express, well that explains things ;-)
I have taken a 'commuter' train from Tokyo to Narita that was described as an 'express' as it did not stop at all the stations. The RER B does the same between Paris and CDG, so in those same terms it is an 'express'. I never claimed that is was an 'Express' in 'proper noun terms as you wrote it. Whatever you want to call it, as the non-stop service between the city and the airport it is really low grade compared with the same service between Heathrow and the city, or even between Gatwick an the city.

(Is there any reason, in your opinion, why I should not be in any particular country?

By the way, on the train theme, when I arrived in Yorkshire I took a regional train that had about the same journey time as that RER B, that was definitely better quality, 'wear and tear' and cleanliness than the RER B and cost me 5.10. Where alicopter finds the UK trains that he criticises I do not know. Not the same country that I live in.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 19:20
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That wont raise his low opinion, Noel. The EU can revert to the Franco-German club you always wanted, alicopter; what are you upset about? Rejoice!
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 20:20
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post



From Wiki;
the French railways receive 13.2 billion in 2013.

It should be good with that much public money.

The UK's is roughly 5bn.
Perhaps would have been better looking at a more up to date source.
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites...mms_report.pdf

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Old 14th Aug 2019, 05:56
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The hearts and minds of the voting public ( Mail readers spring readily to mind here ) are generally swayed by the enticement of these staples, so it's no surprise this piece illustrates the " President / State governor for Life " aspirations of Boris.........

https://www.channel4.com/news/tories...utumn-election

This is another classic....as in a Minister demonstrating a body swerve technique that would put Barry John to shame.....but does include a " all Labour's fault " mantra, carefully ignoring the reduction in police numbers was a result of the current Gov't austerity and reduction in public sector funding.......no point in reminding the public of those dark days now officially ( as proclaimed by Treeza ) consigned to the past. Note also the response to the question about " recreational use only " indulgers.....

https://www.channel4.com/news/boris-...st-for-prisons

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Old 14th Aug 2019, 07:29
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Perhaps would have been better looking at a more up to date source.
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites...mms_report.pdf
What jumps out a mile is that regional rail in UK (rattle trap) is less expensive that FR, but long distance (high speed cattle) is far more expensive by a country mile. The problem is in definitions. I am sure many shorter distances serving London are 'regional' but not cheap. London commuter towns, such as Peterborough, Grantham and Newark, need the high speed trains in order to work as commuter towns.

True regional lines are those that don't serve London.
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Old 18th Aug 2019, 20:25
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...y-to-fight-one

Jeremy Corbyn wants a general election, but is his party ready to fight one?
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Old 18th Aug 2019, 21:12
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...y-to-fight-one

Jeremy Corbyn wants a general election, but is his party ready to fight one?

Labour activists stayed at home in large numbers for the last election, which no doubt contributed to their 13.6% outcome. It's not clear what the leadership has done to motivate the troops since then.
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 06:47
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Mr Corbyn is to say today about a General Election that "It will be a once-in-a-generation chance for a real change".

Yes, the way things are going, a once-in-a-generation opportunity to rid British politics of the Labour Party?

Jo Swinson as the next Leader of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition?
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 19:00
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Mr Corbyn is to say today about a General Election that "It will be a once-in-a-generation chance for a real change".

Yes, the way things are going, a once-in-a-generation opportunity to rid British politics of the Labour Party?

Jo Swinson as the next Leader of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition?
A Corbyn led Labour party is highly desirable for the Tories as it isn't really an Opposition. But would "mad Jo" be any better, or just a different kind of craziness? She's obviously fixated on remaining in the EU, to the exclusion of all else. But once that's done, come 31st October hopefully, does she really have anything new to bring to the political table? I suspect not would be my opinion. LibDims are notorious for not being able to string a consistent set of policies together and I just dont see her leading anything more than an anti-Brexit protest party.
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 19:18
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LibDims are notorious for not being able to string a consistent set of policies together
We are certainly notorious for failing to get the meeja to take the remotest bit of notice of our policies, or to refrain from distorting them on the rare occasions when they do.

But the policies are all on the web site, so I'd welcome your analysis of which ones are "inconsistent". I will admit that some inconsistency is inevitable when only a few policies are revised each year (and every party will suffer from this to some extent, as no party has the bandwidth to review every policy every year).

(But, sorry, you don't get any points for calling out the part-time submarine policy as being bonkers, because we all know about that one - https://www.facebook.com/notes/chris...2204146196124/ .)

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Old 19th Aug 2019, 19:38
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
We are certainly notorious for failing to get the meeja to take the remotest bit of notice of our policies, or to refrain from distorting them on the rare occasions when they do.

But the policies are all on the web site, so I'd welcome your analysis of which ones are "inconsistent". I will admit that some inconsistency is inevitable when only a few policies are revised each year (and every party will suffer from this to some extent, as no party has the bandwidth to review every policy every year).

(But, sorry, you don't get any points for calling out the part-time submarine policy as being bonkers, because we all know about that one - https://www.facebook.com/notes/chris...2204146196124/ .)
So having a few minutes of my life spare I took you up on your offer to visit the website. Its not great is it?

The first few pages are devoted to the EU and remaining, like I said a tacit acknowledgment you've got nothing really interesting to say?

So I flIcked through the "Demand Better" stuff, double clicked on the environment one, paper thin in terms of policy detail....

What do the LibDems actually think of HS2, CaMKOx arc, 300k extra houses per annum, new roads, LHR expansion? They make headline grabbing references to the climate emergency but I suspect their policies are inconsistent in actually doing anything about it!?
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 20:26
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The main list is here https://www.libdems.org.uk/policy_papers

Housing, to pick one of the ones you mentioned is a link on that page to http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net...pdf?1390821822

Several other of the areas you mention will be covered by transport policies, eg http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net...pdf?1390824086

I'm not aware of any national party position on the CamKOx thing though obviously there will be bodies within the party more locally that have positions (we quite often don't take a national view on local planning issues). I gather that one end of the arc doesn't want the road, and the other end doesn't want the railway (that's the general population, not a party position) - though sadly I can't remember which end is which. Personally I think it's a bit crap - in particular the fastest option for the railway, which I doubt is the most popular at this end, will still end up slower than driving on the current roads, so presumably much slower than driving on the "improved" road.

I suspect that a number of people are hoping that it will quietly go away, as the London - Stansted - Cambridge one seems to have done (or, at least, it's gone into hiding lately).

Edit to say: I can only agree, by the way, that the titles of motions and policy papers are really unhelpful to someone who is looking for policy on a particular concrete topic.
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 21:07
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To be fair, LibDem policy is a beacon of clarity compared to Labour, whos one and only policy is Corbyn wants to be PM. Beyond trashing the economy we genuinely have no idea: leave/remain...? Who knows.
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Old 20th Aug 2019, 18:40
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UKs independent Office for National Statistics (ONS), using new methodology and data, says gross domestic product (GDP) in 2016 was about 26bn, or 1.3% greater than earlier calculations had shown, at just under 2tn.
UK economy grew at slightly faster average annual pace of 2.1% between 1997 and 2016, up from 2% estimated previously. UK GDP shrank by 6% during financial crisis, revised from 6.3%. The economy returned to its pre-crisis peak in Q1 2013, a quarter earlier than previously thought.

The adjusted facts once everything has been taken in to account. Not all doom and gloom, although we haven't left yet!

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Old 20th Aug 2019, 19:11
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
To be fair, LibDem policy is a beacon of clarity compared to Labour, whos one and only policy is Corbyn wants to be PM. Beyond trashing the economy we genuinely have no idea: leave/remain...? Who knows.
True but this is still the Labour Party. Corbyn despite his Marxism in the end must answer to the members. I somehow think they haven't all turned into Communists. That will constrain him.
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 03:44
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I could be wrong, but, somehow I get the impression not many of these "sooopah des res's " will have "Home Sweet Home " across their doors..........still as Treeza gushed forth, the days of austerity are over and Boris is so convinced he's spending as much of the tax payers money as he can to ensure Mail readers are overawed by his leadership and will vote for him as and when he tugs their heartstrings ........

I don't suppose these locations feature much in the tourist trail of our green and septic isle.........not that poverty exists here in the UK as so many on JB have proclaimed .....so this is probably just fake news.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-49412835

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...rs-report-says
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 06:50
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Mr Corbyn is to say today about a General Election that "It will be a once-in-a-generation chance for a real change".

Yes, the way things are going, a once-in-a-generation opportunity to rid British politics of the Labour Party?

Jo Swinson as the next Leader of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition?
Swinson would struggle to run her local WI, let alone the Country.
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