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Old 10th Aug 2019, 17:48
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You are well ahead of your times!... the CDG Express is scheduled to launch in late 2025!!!! You must be talking about the RER B... not an excuse of course but you have close to 900 000 commuters, in 570 trains per Day (24hrs) on this 35 kms line so the odds of finding a few vandals are high.... How many between Norwich and Liverpool Street on a busy day? Have you commuted on this line??? You can go from Cherbourg to Marseille (over one thousand kms) in a few hours on the TGV, bypassing Paris. If you leave at 0730hrs you arrive at 1500hrs... for around €130, but €70 if you book in advance or on special deals!... You can hop on a Ouibus in London and arrive in Marseille 9 hours later for under €29 (twenty nine Euros)............ beat that!

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Old 10th Aug 2019, 18:47
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
There was a clothing manufacturer in TV last night. He said many struggling companies blame anything except themselves. Brexit is just another excuse after the EU.
There's a lot to be said for that, but hitherto successful businesses, that have built up trade with Europe because of the ease with which EU trade can be done, and those businesses that were set up in UK specifically to serve the EU from an english speaking country certainly do have good reason to be miffed / worried.
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 18:58
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
There's a lot to be said for that, but hitherto successful businesses, that have built up trade with Europe because of the ease with which EU trade can be done, and those businesses that were set up in UK specifically to serve the EU from an english speaking country certainly do have good reason to be miffed / worried.
So it would a good idea for the UK and EU to get round the table and re-open negotiations aimed at a good withdrawal agreement between us. Junker, Barnier and Tusk refuse to do so, they will also reap what they sow.

Johnson is winning the propaganda war hands down.
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 19:06
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So it would a good idea for the UK and EU to get round the table and re-open negotiations aimed at a good withdrawal agreement between us. Junker, Barnier and Tusk refuse to do so, they will also reap what they sow.

Johnson is winning the propaganda war hands down.
Only because the UK print media in particular conveniently ignores the fact that the UK is leaving the EU; and that the EU cannot be expected to allow the UK have it's cake and eat it, since to do so would give the green light for other members of the EU (the likes of Denmark and Poland in particular) to try the same stunt.

The UK has negotiated a perfectly reasonable deal with the EU that is being blocked, principally because the extremists in the DUP hold sway, and the ERG are angling for a no deal anyway. Any sane country would realise the May / EU deal was a good one, not only that but the best they are likely to get and Johnson is about to find out - at a cost to the economy, and to the more important manufacturing employers and their employees.
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 19:19
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post


So it would a good idea for the UK and EU to get round the table and re-open negotiations aimed at a good withdrawal agreement between us. Junker, Barnier and Tusk refuse to do so, they will also reap what they sow.

Johnson is winning the propaganda war hands down.

So. If I understand well!?. A while back, you are in the gutter... you BEG to join a club having been rejected twice and being helped by the FMI. You get back in the saddle and profit from the generous investments of your Europeen partners, Water boards, Train Companies, Electricity production and infrastructures, Banking, Car making, Aero-industry etc... etc... and then, when we are so intricately interdependant you decide it is the end of the Game and it's going to be Your Rules alone... But you want to keep all the benefits of being in this Club and "spit in the Soup" when all this while you already had a series of "Special Deals" in your favour! You must be joking. If you go from partner to competitor, why should the EU give you the knife to stab them??
Nothing much has changed since Bossuet's Perfidious Albion.

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Old 10th Aug 2019, 19:47
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
There’s no excuse for the state of some of the Parisian rolling stock but OTOH the Heathrow express should be darned good given what it charges the general public..out of interest how much did the CDG express cost?
10.30 Euros. At midday. By comparison for quality, the £22 Off Peak cost for the Heathrow Express seems very reasonable.

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Old 10th Aug 2019, 20:05
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Originally Posted by alicopter View Post
You are well ahead of your times!... the CDG Express is scheduled to launch in late 2025!!!!
You must read carefully, I said
I took the express from CDG into Paris recently.
Yes, it was the RER B, because that was the best that was available. I don't think that 'vandals' can be blamed, as it was all just in keeping with the overall feeling all around.

Nowt to complain about the excellent service that I'm getting in First Class from London to York for £35.30.

But then the Eeyores out there won't read what is actually said, so I question what they say they see too. That makes me suspect that your roads are actually in very good condition and so on and on and on and that you are living in an 'Eeyore fantasy land' and not in the same country where I live!
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 20:22
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I took the express from CDG into Paris recently. It was old and shabby with worn seats and litter which ambled its way into Paris. Real 'third world' compared with the Heathrow Express that I travelled on a while ago.
You are well ahead of your times!... the CDG Express is scheduled to launch in late 2025!!!! You must be talking about the RER B... not an excuse of course but you have close to 900 000 commuters, in 570 trains per Day (24hrs) on this 35 kms line
Ah ah ah, NoelEvans, what were you doing in the country of Yellow Vest, as you call them ?
BTW confusing a commuter train with an Express, well that explains things ;-)


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Old 10th Aug 2019, 23:37
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Explains what? Alicopter clearly feels that everything in UK is rubbish; does he have any wider point to make?
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 00:03
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
I took the express from CDG into Paris recently. It was old and shabby with worn seats and litter which ambled its way into Paris. Real 'third world' compared with the Heathrow Express that I travelled on a while ago.
RER is ONE of the trains you can get from CDG into centre of Paris. There is also TGV, I know because 20 odd years ago I took a train from Bayonne at the Spanish border to Lille. This stopped at CDG and I remember booking on day I had arrived there 2 weeks previously that it was circa 240 FFR / £24-25 the whole way.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 09:14
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Originally Posted by alicopter View Post
You are well ahead of your times!... the CDG Express is scheduled to launch in late 2025!!!! You must be talking about the RER B... not an excuse of course but you have close to 900 000 commuters, in 570 trains per Day (24hrs) on this 35 kms line so the odds of finding a few vandals are high.... How many between Norwich and Liverpool Street on a busy day? Have you commuted on this line??? You can go from Cherbourg to Marseille (over one thousand kms) in a few hours on the TGV, bypassing Paris. If you leave at 0730hrs you arrive at 1500hrs... for around €130, but €70 if you book in advance or on special deals!... You can hop on a Ouibus in London and arrive in Marseille 9 hours later for under €29 (twenty nine Euros)............ beat that!

From Wiki;
the French railways receive €13.2 billion in 2013.

It should be good with that much public money.

The UK's is roughly £5bn.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 09:20
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So, Boris Attaturk claims he is going to create 10,000 new prison places. Well, given that the largest prison in the UK, Berwyn, Wrexham (incidentally, also the 2nd largest prison in Europe) holds just over 2,000, this would mean the building of 5 or 6 similar size prisons. I wonder if that will compensate for the 16 or 17 prisons closed by his party over the last 9 years? Of course, the question of re-opening those closed prisons will be out of the question as they were sold off to developers. I would imagine the cost of this would be a couple of HST2s or a handful of Crossrails. And where is that cash going to come form? Looking at some of the recent claims that money will be handed out by the sackful to Police, NHS and Prisons, I think the Met Police should be asked to investigate a possible theft. How else did the Tory party manage to get their hands on the "Magic money tree" they claim to have been the property of the Labour party? I don't suppose Labour sold it to them!
Add the income tax give away bonanza that Boris has promised the well off, and that magic money tree is going to be worked to exhaustion.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 09:52
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post



From Wiki;
the French railways receive €13.2 billion in 2013.

It should be good with that much public money.

The UK's is roughly £5bn.
And who has it right, the British with their £5bn, and a disjointed system, and totally dysfunctional fares structure; or France with their largely affordable, joined up system? The difference is roughly £7bn, which might be money better spent than on some of the nonsense of some of the electioneering promises that the current government are making.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 09:55
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Add the income tax give away bonanza that Boris has promised the well off, and that magic money tree is going to be worked to exhaustion.
One of the rules in politics is that your promises have to be realistic if there's a chance that you're going to be around to carry them out.

If, on the other hand, you calculate that there isn't a hope in hell that you will be around to make good on your promises, you can promise whatever you like.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 10:04
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It definitely feels like an election is in the making. Promise the world. Work out how to deliver it after you stumble back in to office.

Christ even Ed Milliband looks eminently more electable than either leader of the 2 main parties right now.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 10:07
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It definitely feels like an election is in the making. Promise the world. Work out how to deliver it after you stumble back in to office.

Christ even Ed Milliband looks eminently more electable than either leader of the 2 main parties right now.
Why has no political party, and no Sunday newspaper journalist totted up all the spending promises from Johnson since he came to power, then put it to them exactly where they expect to get the money from.

That is exactly what would happened were Labour, or any other UK party making such rash, uncosted promises. It just goes to show how inept the opposition is; but worse just how biased our UK media is.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 10:23
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The spending (up until a few days ago at least, more shakes of the magic money tree have been had since then) has been totted up.

Do Boris Johnson's tax and spending plans add up?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49097133

But you’re right. No one has questioned them directly as to where they’d get the money from.

Real journalists will not be allowed to pose the questions directly and so answers will not be forthcoming. Except for have faith, believe a little more. Etc.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 10:30
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Having been overseas since 1989 and only returning to the UK last November I discover VAT at 20%, land and sales taxes on property, indeed, at every turn in the 're-establishing living here process' I am left in no doubt at all that the treasury must be full to overflowing and that any promises Boris may make can be underwritten at least once and probably twice.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 10:36
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
One of the rules in politics is that your promises have to be realistic if there's a chance that you're going to be around to carry them out.

If, on the other hand, you calculate that there isn't a hope in hell that you will be around to make good on your promises, you can promise whatever you like.
Ah, have you been listening to Nige again then Gertie .?..........see also UKIP ( V1.0 ) and Brexit party (Beta version ) for further supportive evidence of this practice

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Old 11th Aug 2019, 11:03
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
Having been overseas since 1989 and only returning to the UK last November I discover VAT at 20%, land and sales taxes on property, indeed, at every turn in the 're-establishing living here process' I am left in no doubt at all that the treasury must be full to overflowing and that any promises Boris may make can be underwritten at least once and probably twice.
You would hope so, but even with all those taxes the UK is still deeply indebted. I suppose it rather depends where you have returned from. If it's a country where taxes are much lower, but where there is no universal healthcare, and little or nothing in the way of a social security safety net then you're not really comparing apples with apples.

The UK electorate treasures the NHS, and the welfare state, and many won't countenance reductions in spending of stuff like defence. If you want to live in the UK, and frankly, I'd rather not, then the expensive baggage mentioned, and the level of taxation go hand in hand. If we were to spend the money that's actually needed on infrastructure, be it transport, power generation and the like something would have to give, or taxes be even higher.
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