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Old 8th Aug 2019, 15:55
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Originally Posted by alicopter View Post
I might be French but you will have to show me where I say France is better than the UK! I've lived in the UK (Ireland, Belgium, Italy, with long stays in Germany, 3 years in Algeria even if I then was a kid, my Grand-pa being an officer in the French Army) more than or about half my life, so... I have travelled a fair bit and I still have a home in the UK where I still spend a fair ammount of time. I cycle a lot in the UK, long distance (Transpennine or on roads, up and down the East Coast), driven to Liverpool, Manchester, London, Portsmouth or Poole regularly from Norwich so am familiar with the surfacing of UK tracks... My local (1) road has been resurfaced about two months ago and it is now worse than before and so has be done again...
As from having been to Marseille lately? I am from Marseille and most of my family is still living there (not quite, in the Luberon, but close) and I can say this is the ONLY city in the world that I LOVE... If you find a more vibrant, colorful, magic, cosmopolitan, active, innovative city, let me know because I can tell you, you do not get bored there and there is a very strong Cultural current that many cities in France are envying... In fact, the last uncomfortable moment I had the displeasure to experience was not in Marseille where I always feel safe but North of Sherwood Forest where I was aggressed while on my bike and had not I had a heavy looking trekking trailer behind, I think I might have been knocked off it and say goodby to it...

I agree, there is a strong cultural current in Marseille but it’s not french, perhaps that helps ensure the “ vibrancy” but on the whole it’s better than Bradford !
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 16:12
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post



I agree, there is a strong cultural current in Marseille but it’s not french, perhaps that helps ensure the “ vibrancy” but on the whole it’s better than Bradford !
How can the Culture in Marseille not be French???? Have you been to "The Criee" theater? Just for info, gargle sortiramarseille.fr and scroll down to activities this coming week-end...
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 16:20
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Stop knocking France, this is Brexit. If France wasn't there we might've have to knock Germany
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 18:27
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Been done is the past. Both. (In fact, both at the same time as late as 1942.)
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 20:18
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
.... I wouldn't know where to find one, so I don't know so much about 'galore' ...
If you needed one you'd soon find one.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 21:06
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I understand some like The Guardian, but the readership are possibly getting fed up with the drivel it publishes.
Only my opinion.

But the figures below are showing they are leaving in droves.



The Guardian has published their accounts and reported on them in the paper as well. The report’s headline claims they broke even. If you read the actual accounts you will discover they did not.



The bottom line says they lost £16,600,000 after exceptionals, before exceptionals they lost a mere £7.4 million, just under £1,000 an hour, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. The billion pound Guardian endowment made £42.9 million profit on “investments held at fair value”. Add the investment income from the endowment’s shareholdings to the losses and abracadabra the Guardian breaks even.

Claiming the Guardian broke even last year is “fake news”. The fact is GMG plc holding company made an overall profit thanks to investment income entirely unrelated to the company that produces the newspaper. Before you go, Guardian Media Group’s chief executive, David Pemsel has a small favour to ask, can you contribute to his total pay package of £706,000 a year?
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 22:43
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But the figures below are showing they are leaving in droves.
I stopped buying it when they started supporting #brexshit.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 08:33
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McDonnell’s threat to “put Corbyn in a taxi to the palace” (note that Corbyn is just a passenger) shouldn’t be a surprise. This is the man who called for the lynching of a female MP. Not retracted at all even when another female MP is actually murdered! He’s praised the bullets and bombs of the IRA and now says he’ll support the break-up of UK to win power then jail Tory MP’s if he does! As I say, no surprises; this is how it’s done in Marxist regimes. Except this is the party telling us today no deal would be “undemocratic”.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 09:01
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It seems the UK has been playing fast and loose with data protection rules and the access it was give to the Schengen Information System

Authorities in the United Kingdom have made unauthorized copies of data stored inside a EU database for tracking undocumented migrants, missing people, stolen cars, or suspected criminals.
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In May 2018, reporters from EU Observer obtained a secret EU report that highlighted years of violations in managing the SIS database by UK authorities.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-mad...lers-database/

Bad enough that having been granted special access to the data, UK authorties decided to make copies and then allowed third parties to access them.

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Old 9th Aug 2019, 09:06
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I can't help feeling there will be a sigh of relief in Brussels on 1st November.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 11:46
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I can't help feeling there will be a sigh of relief in Brussels on 1st November.
They'll be better off without us. If they could find a way of losing Poland, Hungary and Denmark they'd be even happier!!

Thinking out of the box for a moment, imagine that, as they keep saying, they don't want the UK to leave, and certainly not wit no deal. Were Johnson to try and call an election and take the UK out with no deal, while the election campaign is running, and parliament not sitting, what chance the EU sticking their oar in by unilaterally putting the UK's membership of the EU into suspension, until after the election? I would imagine they could do so, if they wanted, and thus give the incoming government, which might be of a different opinion on no deal to the current regime, a chance to reverse the law taking the UK out on 31st October.

If they did this then the GE would really become a referendum on no deal (not on deal or remain of course). I'm not suggesting it would be a good or bad idea, but it would certainly be mischief making on a massive scale, and if they wanted to stick the boot in to a Johnson government it could be a useful weapon to use.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 11:51
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I can't help feeling there will be a sigh of relief in Brussels on 1st November.
Not as big as the sigh of relief in the UK.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 12:04
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Let's face it. They've given up on the UK now.
Having been buggered about by Britain for three years the EU just want to let us go now so they can concentrate their efforts on sorting their own internal problems.
Brexit has been too much of a distraction for too long.

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Old 9th Aug 2019, 13:04
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Au contraire: a welcome distraction for some. M. Macron dispensing sage advice on how the UK should be run with roads across France barricaded and ablaze comes to mind.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 13:07
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ATNotts, this what Prof Bogdanor suggest in the Times today - what I might refer to as the “Bobby Ewing” defence - everyone wakes up sometime in November and Brexit was just a bad dream.....

More exactly what he suggests is: ....”Secondly, were an anti no-deal majority or Remain majority returned in November, a sovereign parliament could legislate retrospectively, with the agreement of the EU, so as to extend the Brexit date and deem Britain not to have left the EU on October 31. Parliament has legislated retrospectively in the past, most notably in the War Crimes Act 1991”......

However I don’t see it being as simple as that, as the consequences of Brexit having been triggered will have been profound. Fortunes made and lost on the financial markets, business contracts have been cancelled and signed etc. And of course the previous examples of retrospective legislation have been confined to introducing penalties for acts which previously occurred - none have changed history by trying to state something has did happen has not. Any such attempt would surely be challenged both in the UK Supreme Court as well as the EUCJ.

It it merely shows how limited are the possibilities of now preventing Brexit occurring.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 13:08
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Let's face it. They've given up on the UK now.
Having been buggered about by Britain for three years the EU just want to let us go now so they can concentrate their efforts on sorting their own internal problems.
Brexit has been too much of a distraction for too long.

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I think you're right, as I suggested in my opening remark. If I were them I'd walk away from the UK, let us sink or swim, and get to grips with some of the more pressing problems that have probably taken a back seat while they've been piddling about with an awkward member that still fails to grasp that the're leaving them, rather than the EU leaving them.

Just kite flying as I said.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 13:10
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
ATNotts, this what Prof Bogdanor suggest in the Times today - what I might refer to as the “Bobby Ewing” defence - everyone wakes up sometime in November and Brexit was just a bad dream.....

More exactly what he suggests is: ....”Secondly, were an anti no-deal majority or Remain majority returned in November, a sovereign parliament could legislate retrospectively, with the agreement of the EU, so as to extend the Brexit date and deem Britain not to have left the EU on October 31. Parliament has legislated retrospectively in the past, most notably in the War Crimes Act 1991”......

Hiwever I don’t see it being as simple as that, as the consequences of Brexit having been triggered will have been profound. Fortunes made and lost on the financial markets, business contracts have been cancelled and signed etc. And of course the previous examples of retrospective legislation have been confined to introducing penalties for acts which previously occurred - none have changed history by trying to state something has did happen has not. Any such attempt would surely be challenged both in the UK Supreme Court as well as the EUCJ.

It it merely shows how limited are the possibilities of now preventing Brexit occurring.
Aside of all that, it would stink very pungently of the EU involving itself in a member's (or in this case ex-member's) domestic affairs.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 22:44
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Meanwhile in Hallam West, a damming report..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-49281645
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 08:20
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Meanwhile in Hallam West, a damming report..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-49281645
Does the Speaker's constituency not have a similar problem? How does it work there?
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 08:37
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Reference the doom and gloom concerning U.K. manufacturing above......

https://www.themanufacturer.com/uk-m...ng-statistics/

”Contrary to widespread perceptions, UK manufacturing is thriving, with the UK currently the world’s eighth largest industrial nation. If current growth trends continue, the UK will break into the top five by 2021. In the UK, manufacturing makes up 11% of GVA, 44% of total UK exports, 70% of business R&D, and directly employs 2.6 million people.”

So UK manufacturing trends are doing great in a link that ends in 2016?

And these great quotes from that very link which the comment claims proves the future is great for UK manufacturing:

  • 71% of UK manufacturers say Brexit is damaging strategic-planning and business prospects
  • 64% say Brexit will cause chaos for the manufacturing sector


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