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Old 8th Aug 2019, 13:02
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
... Where have you been lately? Obviously not in the same country that I live in!​​​​
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alicopter is French

If you're not familiar with his posts, the UK (or specifically England) is a s***hole and everything is better in France.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 13:04
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
alicopter is French

If you're not familiar with his posts, the UK (or specifically England) is a s***hole and everything is better in France.
I take it the link from the asia times I posted yesterday didn't meet with your approval either then. ......did with mine by the way.

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Old 8th Aug 2019, 13:06
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
alicopter is French

If you're not familiar with his posts, the UK (or specifically England) is a s***hole and everything is better in France.

Ah I see, has he been to Marseille aka Algiers lately ?
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 13:24
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The problem with calling an election prior to the 31st of October is that it is and will clearly be seen to be an attempt to stop the UK from leaving the EU. No matter what side of the fence to sit on regarding Brexit, it is a fact that a democratic decision was taken by the nation's voters to leave. Both the Conservative and Labour Party campaigned during the last election as being pro Brexit. Both parties stated they wanted a trade deal prior to leaving the EU, although they differed on the exact details.

The EU by contrast did not want the UK to leave the EU and insisted that trade deals could only be negotiated after a leaving agreement had been signed, sealed and delivered. The EU deal on offer is effectively constructed so that the UK would leave the EU in name only, while losing all political control and influence over EU decision making. Hence the reason it was rejected, not once, but three times by the House of Commons.

Any General Election called prior to Brexit actually taking place has to be unthinkable. Voters disenchanted with the Conservative's failure to deliver Brexit will doubtless either refuse to vote, or cast their vote for the Brexit Party. Labour supporters will be similarly split but for different reasons including their failure to address adequately the blatant racism and anti semitism in the party, let alone an inability to mount any meaningful opposition to the Conservatives. The Liberals might gain a few seats, mostly from disaffected voters who feel they have to cast a vote for someone. Then there is the possibilty of some extremist candidates being elected due to low turn out and protest votes. The result will be a hung parliament of the worst possible kind, with no party in a position to form a government.

The bottom line is that Brexit needs to happen if the UK is to make any sort of progress. At least the Conservative Party will have the advantage of having delivered Brexit. That draws the teeth of the Brexit and extremist parties. It might also take a lot of the wind out of the Labour and Liberal Party's sails. That way, the Conservatives might just establish a workable majority and a five year mandate to carry on.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 16:33
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post



Ah I see, has he been to Marseille aka Algiers lately ?






I might be French but you will have to show me where I say France is better than the UK! I've lived in the UK (Ireland, Belgium, Italy, with long stays in Germany, 3 years in Algeria even if I then was a kid, my Grand-pa being an officer in the French Army) more than or about half my life, so... I have travelled a fair bit and I still have a home in the UK where I still spend a fair ammount of time. I cycle a lot in the UK, long distance (Transpennine or on roads, up and down the East Coast), driven to Liverpool, Manchester, London, Portsmouth or Poole regularly from Norwich so am familiar with the surfacing of UK tracks... My local (1) road has been resurfaced about two months ago and it is now worse than before and so has be done again...
As from having been to Marseille lately? I am from Marseille and most of my family is still living there (not quite, in the Luberon, but close) and I can say this is the ONLY city in the world that I LOVE... If you find a more vibrant, colorful, magic, cosmopolitan, active, innovative city, let me know because I can tell you, you do not get bored there and there is a very strong Cultural current that many cities in France are envying... In fact, the last uncomfortable moment I had the displeasure to experience was not in Marseille where I always feel safe but North of Sherwood Forest where I was aggressed while on my bike and had not I had a heavy looking trekking trailer behind, I think I might have been knocked off it and said goodbye to it...

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Old 8th Aug 2019, 16:45
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Originally Posted by alicopter View Post
I might be French but you will have to show me where I say France is better than the UK!
And then you go on to give examples of how France is better than the UK.......

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Old 8th Aug 2019, 16:55
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Originally Posted by alicopter View Post
I might be French but you will have to show me where I say France is better than the UK! I've lived in the UK (Ireland, Belgium, Italy, with long stays in Germany, 3 years in Algeria even if I then was a kid, my Grand-pa being an officer in the French Army) more than or about half my life, so... I have travelled a fair bit and I still have a home in the UK where I still spend a fair ammount of time. I cycle a lot in the UK, long distance (Transpennine or on roads, up and down the East Coast), driven to Liverpool, Manchester, London, Portsmouth or Poole regularly from Norwich so am familiar with the surfacing of UK tracks... My local (1) road has been resurfaced about two months ago and it is now worse than before and so has be done again...
As from having been to Marseille lately? I am from Marseille and most of my family is still living there (not quite, in the Luberon, but close) and I can say this is the ONLY city in the world that I LOVE... If you find a more vibrant, colorful, magic, cosmopolitan, active, innovative city, let me know because I can tell you, you do not get bored there and there is a very strong Cultural current that many cities in France are envying... In fact, the last uncomfortable moment I had the displeasure to experience was not in Marseille where I always feel safe but North of Sherwood Forest where I was aggressed while on my bike and had not I had a heavy looking trekking trailer behind, I think I might have been knocked off it and say goodby to it...

I agree, there is a strong cultural current in Marseille but it’s not french, perhaps that helps ensure the “ vibrancy” but on the whole it’s better than Bradford !
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 17:12
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Originally Posted by Jack D View Post



I agree, there is a strong cultural current in Marseille but it’s not french, perhaps that helps ensure the “ vibrancy” but on the whole it’s better than Bradford !
How can the Culture in Marseille not be French???? Have you been to "The Criee" theater? Just for info, gargle sortiramarseille.fr and scroll down to activities this coming week-end...
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 17:20
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Stop knocking France, this is Brexit. If France wasn't there we might've have to knock Germany
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 19:27
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Been done is the past. Both. (In fact, both at the same time as late as 1942.)
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 21:18
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
.... I wouldn't know where to find one, so I don't know so much about 'galore' ...
If you needed one you'd soon find one.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 22:06
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I understand some like The Guardian, but the readership are possibly getting fed up with the drivel it publishes.
Only my opinion.

But the figures below are showing they are leaving in droves.



The Guardian has published their accounts and reported on them in the paper as well. The report’s headline claims they broke even. If you read the actual accounts you will discover they did not.



The bottom line says they lost £16,600,000 after exceptionals, before exceptionals they lost a mere £7.4 million, just under £1,000 an hour, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. The billion pound Guardian endowment made £42.9 million profit on “investments held at fair value”. Add the investment income from the endowment’s shareholdings to the losses and abracadabra the Guardian breaks even.

Claiming the Guardian broke even last year is “fake news”. The fact is GMG plc holding company made an overall profit thanks to investment income entirely unrelated to the company that produces the newspaper. Before you go, Guardian Media Group’s chief executive, David Pemsel has a small favour to ask, can you contribute to his total pay package of £706,000 a year?
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 23:43
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But the figures below are showing they are leaving in droves.
I stopped buying it when they started supporting #brexshit.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 09:33
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McDonnell’s threat to “put Corbyn in a taxi to the palace” (note that Corbyn is just a passenger) shouldn’t be a surprise. This is the man who called for the lynching of a female MP. Not retracted at all even when another female MP is actually murdered! He’s praised the bullets and bombs of the IRA and now says he’ll support the break-up of UK to win power then jail Tory MP’s if he does! As I say, no surprises; this is how it’s done in Marxist regimes. Except this is the party telling us today no deal would be “undemocratic”.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 10:01
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It seems the UK has been playing fast and loose with data protection rules and the access it was give to the Schengen Information System

Authorities in the United Kingdom have made unauthorized copies of data stored inside a EU database for tracking undocumented migrants, missing people, stolen cars, or suspected criminals.
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In May 2018, reporters from EU Observer obtained a secret EU report that highlighted years of violations in managing the SIS database by UK authorities.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-mad...lers-database/

Bad enough that having been granted special access to the data, UK authorties decided to make copies and then allowed third parties to access them.

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Old 9th Aug 2019, 10:06
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I can't help feeling there will be a sigh of relief in Brussels on 1st November.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 12:46
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I can't help feeling there will be a sigh of relief in Brussels on 1st November.
They'll be better off without us. If they could find a way of losing Poland, Hungary and Denmark they'd be even happier!!

Thinking out of the box for a moment, imagine that, as they keep saying, they don't want the UK to leave, and certainly not wit no deal. Were Johnson to try and call an election and take the UK out with no deal, while the election campaign is running, and parliament not sitting, what chance the EU sticking their oar in by unilaterally putting the UK's membership of the EU into suspension, until after the election? I would imagine they could do so, if they wanted, and thus give the incoming government, which might be of a different opinion on no deal to the current regime, a chance to reverse the law taking the UK out on 31st October.

If they did this then the GE would really become a referendum on no deal (not on deal or remain of course). I'm not suggesting it would be a good or bad idea, but it would certainly be mischief making on a massive scale, and if they wanted to stick the boot in to a Johnson government it could be a useful weapon to use.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 12:51
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I can't help feeling there will be a sigh of relief in Brussels on 1st November.
Not as big as the sigh of relief in the UK.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 13:04
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Let's face it. They've given up on the UK now.
Having been buggered about by Britain for three years the EU just want to let us go now so they can concentrate their efforts on sorting their own internal problems.
Brexit has been too much of a distraction for too long.

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Old 9th Aug 2019, 14:04
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Au contraire: a welcome distraction for some. M. Macron dispensing sage advice on how the UK should be run with roads across France barricaded and ablaze comes to mind.
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