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Old 27th Jul 2019, 21:49
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I am terribly afraid to tell you that the fact that Eurostar are not accepting bookings after October is not the fault of anyone other than either David Cameron, who was as everyone knows a remainer or corporate interests vested in the USA and French speaking Canada. You really will find people in Quebec who can't speak English. It's quite amazing because, as everyone knows, all the English in London speak French, to some extent or another.
In 2015 the then Cameronian British government sold its 40% share in Eurostar to a Quebec finance company that was twinned up with Hermes Investment which is in itself a front for a US firm called Federated Investors. Federated Investors is quite a big time operator with some $460 billion of assets under management.
So there we are, if you seek to leave Britain on a Canadian/American train to go a French Island when you could have gone to Butlins, one can only have limited sympathy.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 22:00
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I see that the next upcoming by election is Sheffield Hallam. Like Radnor a long term LD held seat where the incumbent has gone off his rocker.
Er, I think you will find the incumbent MP was elected as a Labour candidate who defected to ChangeUK.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 22:14
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
But no, Eurostar aren't accepting bookings after the end of October. What a surprise. Thanks a bunch, #brexshitters.
Really?

Maybe it's just you that they don't want travelling.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 22:29
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Originally Posted by 747 jock View Post
Really?

Maybe it's just you that they don't want travelling.
Maybe it is. November was greyed out and I couldn't select any date in it.

Or maybe they changed it after I tweeted about it.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 22:42
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Originally Posted by Fitter2 View Post
Er, I think you will find the incumbent MP was elected as a Labour candidate who defected to ChangeUK.
do please try to keep up. I am well aware he was Labour, but he's not now or ever been Change he just resigned the whip and went Independent. My point is that it's all giving momentum to the LD bandwagon.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 23:00
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Er, I think you will find the incumbent MP was elected as a Labour candidate who defected to ChangeUK.
So in fact a Labour candidate ... change UK has nothing to do with it ! He’s not well and admits it , good for him. The word “defected “ has a sinister tone
and is redolent of the old workers paradise, now defunct.
Its worrying on many levels that the type of candidate that Is deemed suitable by the once respectable and honorable Labour Party actually got elected ... doesn’t say much for the voters in said constituency !

Euro Star still running btw , what fruitcake suggested that it will be all over after Oct 31st ? and we will have to launch a Dunkirk style operation to bring our citizens home from “ the continent”

Once sgain it goes like this
1 BJ becomes PM .

2 The Uk leaves the EU on or before the 31st Oct ..
pending .

3 After this, who knows, but the German motor industry will be v upset !

Leo “ gay rights “ Varadkar exposed for the EU stooge that he truly is and attempts to disrupt the fragile peace between Eire and N Ireland ... shades of days of the Raj syndrome for him no doubt. This will be ineffective.

The floundering arguments and exaggeration of the remainers and no deal opposition , which really means remain but they won’t admit it, are being exposed as
poorly constructed propaganda, not that the Brexiteers are entirely innocent in this respect .

Capital and jobs will be lost, and also gained, that’s a fact. Historically the commonwealth and wto model
has not prevented the UK economy from stagnating, but legal and cultural independence on the UK,s terms will be regained , that’s important ! Bring on the chlorinated chickens ..


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Old 27th Jul 2019, 23:20
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Jack D, to quote you:
Leo “ gay rights “ Varadkar exposed for the EU stooge that he truly is and attempts to disrupt the fragile peace between Eire and N Ireland ... shades of days of the Raj syndrome for him no doubt.
This confirms all I had suspected about the tinge of racism in the Brexit camp. And I hadn't realised that perhaps there was a touch of homophobia as well.
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Old 27th Jul 2019, 23:31
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Originally Posted by Economics101 View Post
Jack D, to quote you:

This confirms all I had suspected about the tinge of racism in the Brexit camp. And I hadn't realised that perhaps there was a touch of homophobia as well.
Racism, homophobia, Europhobia, nationalism. English nationalism even though he's as English as the Royal Family. Decent English people have lost control.

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Old 27th Jul 2019, 23:46
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Originally Posted by Economics101 View Post
Jack D, to quote you:

This confirms all I had suspected about the tinge of racism in the Brexit camp. And I hadn't realised that perhaps there was a touch of homophobia as well.
Better ask the new Uk Chancellor and Home sec about that one ... total rubbish ! Varadkar is an EU puppet the fact that he is gay is irrelevant ! Can’t wait
for the wedding though !

Wait. !, what’s that I hear ? could it be the sound of the Irish spinning in their graves ? .
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 07:07
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If you want a reason to leave the EU on 31st October. Yes, that’s a bill for £1000 Billion.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...o-10-82h958568

Sunday Times:

“.....Civil servants have also told..... that the EU is holding back a tax demand for VAT on derivatives trades which could amount to a trillion pounds owed to Brussels, a demand they believe would be issued when Britain is “defenceless” in an implementation period.........”
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 07:23
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So lets see if I am understanding this correctly - Leo Varadkar advocates a position that he feels is in the best interests of his country and he is a stooge?

The blame game is going well.
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 07:30
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[QUOTE=wiggy;10530269]So lets see if I am understanding this correctly - Leo Varadkar advocates a position that he feels is in the best interests of his country and he is a stooge?

The blame game is going well.

No one is blaming him he has to be a puppet it’s part of the deal the Irish signed up to .
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 08:32
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Varadkar is an EU puppet the fact that he is gay is irrelevant ! Can’t wait
for the wedding though !
If Varadkar's sexual orientation is irrelevant, then why do you bring it up in the first place? Whatever criticisms we have of him in Ireland, this matter just never arises. At least it shows we have some decency when it comes to political argument. And as for the puppet bit, then you haven't been following Varadker's role in blocking Merkel's initial choice for Commission President.
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 08:47
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
If you want a reason to leave the EU on 31st October. Yes, that’s a bill for £1000 Billion.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...o-10-82h958568

Sunday Times:

“.....Civil servants have also told..... that the EU is holding back a tax demand for VAT on derivatives trades which could amount to a trillion pounds owed to Brussels, a demand they believe would be issued when Britain is “defenceless” in an implementation period.........”
Behind a paywall for me so I’m not exactly clear on what it is you’re saying here.

My understanding is that the ‘EU’ is not an organisation that can levy VAT charges on anyone, surely the UK Government levies VAT in the UK and collects it? I guess I must be wrong?
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 08:48
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Originally Posted by Economics101 View Post
Jack D:

. And as for the puppet bit, then you haven't been following Varadker's role in blocking Merkel's initial choice for Commission President.
Ah, depends on who the puppet master might be. Just saying as I don't pretend to know any detail.
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 09:43
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Behind a paywall for me so I’m not exactly clear on what it is you’re saying here.

My understanding is that the ‘EU’ is not an organisation that can levy VAT charges on anyone, surely the UK Government levies VAT in the UK and collects it? I guess I must be wrong?
VAT gets complex, as HMRC also process VAT that is paid, or recovered, from other EU states. As an example, when we built our house I was able to reclaim all the VAT paid on materials that I'd purchased, as new houses are zero rated for VAT. Some of the materials were bought in Germany, some in Denmark, so I had paid German and Danish VAT on them when I bought them. HMRC refunded the VAT to me on completion, at the rate that applied in the country of purchase, so, for example, the £1,008.83 Danish VAT (at 25%) I'd paid was refunded to me by HMRC. There is presumably some reconciliation process by which VAT payments and refunds are passed to the correct EU state.
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 10:15
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The background.......

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-co...-idUKKCN1PU1PW

http://www.ftseglobalmarkets.com/new...rivatives.html

Member States contributions to EU include a standardised 0.3% of their total VAT income. The value of the derivative contracts traded in the UK every year is around £230tn. Assuming the same VAT rate as Paris (15%), that is 230 x 0.15 x 0.03 = £1.035tn.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...rading-deal-eu

Also note that is how the EU calculates the UK required EU contribution - whether the UK decides to actually collect the VAT or not.

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Old 28th Jul 2019, 10:41
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Originally Posted by Economics101 View Post
Jack D:

If Varadkar's sexual orientation is irrelevant, then why do you bring it up in the first place? Whatever criticisms we have of him in Ireland, this matter just never arises. At least it shows we have some decency when it comes to political argument. And as for the puppet bit, then you haven't been following Varadker's role in blocking Merkel's initial choice for Commission President.

I have been following and applaud him and the other 8
opposers to Merkel,s choice, the arch socialist Timmermans . Unfortunately the plan backfired slightly when Barnier was not anointed ( Merkel doesn’t like him much ) However anything that prevented the standard German French stitch up is welcomed by me

Nevertheless she won’t forget this in a hurry, fortunately her influence is waning within her own party which is bad news for the Irish Labour Party

Varadker realized Barnier would be useful re the backstop / border issue after his negotiating experience and expertise.. Nasty business this politics
such a waste of energy when running ones own country is difficult enough ...
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 12:07
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
The background.......

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-co...-idUKKCN1PU1PW

http://www.ftseglobalmarkets.com/new...rivatives.html

Member States contributions to EU include a standardised 0.3% of their total VAT income. The value of the derivative contracts traded in the UK every year is around £230tn. Assuming the same VAT rate as Paris (15%), that is 230 x 0.15 x 0.03 = £1.035tn.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...rading-deal-eu

Also note that is how the EU calculates the UK required EU contribution - whether the UK decides to actually collect the VAT or not.
Thanks for that and VP too. My ‘take away’ from that would be from the Reuters article:

”...If Britain leaves the EU without an exit deal, there will be no case to answer. But any deal that keeps the UK subject to EU rules could mean significantly higher costs for Europe’s commodity trading community. ...”

I would presume the current UK Government would simply throw this into the future discussions as a negotiating point, or as referred to above it becomes a non-issue.
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 16:27
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German 10-year bund yields now below Japan's and the ECB's -0.4% deposit rate (for 1st time ever). Markets clearly expect ECB rate cut in September + return to QE. Even Greek 10-years now under 2% and yielding less than US 10-year T-bills.

For those on Twitter, the above is taken from A Neill.

There are some on here who have been saying everything is fine with the Euro economy. For all those who think the UK are in dire straits if we leave, I suggest you look at what is happening now in Euro land, particularly German economy. This is on top of the Target2 problems.

Any bets on Germany leaving the Euro?
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