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Old 24th Jul 2019, 17:13
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Jeremy Hunt gone as well - no prize for second place.
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 19:22
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Cool, having a bit of a clear out then. Getting shot of grayling is an important first step in the death of HS2, hopefully. Some of the names I didn't even recognise which probably speaks volumes.

As for the dimmers on here, and in Westminster, still banging on about PV and revoking A50, please, give it a rest and just let us all move on... Sure as eggs are eggs, if it does turn out to be the $hitshow you all hope for then we'll be back in within a decade.
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 20:41
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Whatever your views on Brexit, expressing the desire to crash the UK train before the driver has started the engine is the sort of negativity that has held this Country back. If in a few months Boris and the new cabinet have failed to deliver then by all means give them the flack they deserve, vote them out because for sure you will have that chance if that is the way it goes. Until then why don't we all show a little optimism and take the can do route.
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 20:51
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Originally Posted by GROUNDHOG View Post
... Until then why don't we all show a little optimism and take the can do route.
Optimism? Optimism??!! Wash your mouth out young man!! There appears to be a rule on this Thread where such words are inappropriate. Only grumbling Eeyores are allowed to post here.
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 21:05
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Unfortunately a country cannot exist on optimism, much though Boris would like you to believe his flowery prose.
The country depends on confidence in policies and sound government, I await to be convinced.
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 21:21
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Unfortunately a country cannot exist on optimism, much though Boris would like you to believe his flowery prose.
The country depends on confidence in policies and sound government, I await to be convinced.
Sure Sallyann, but we dont know yet if there is substance or not...

And surely nothing could be worse than the ineptitude of the May government? Apart from Corbyn or the LibDims of course!
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 21:38
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Noel, the way I see our views is that they are like a Gaussian curve with a few extreme views as remain or leave but that the majority are centrist. I was pretty near 49-51 on the curve. We know where articulate posters such as Sally and Gertude are but I suspect Sally is nearer the centre than Gertrude with neither being near the contract extreme.

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Old 24th Jul 2019, 21:47
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
Sure Sallyann, but we dont know yet if there is substance or not...

And surely nothing could be worse than the ineptitude of the May government? Apart from Corbyn or the LibDims of course!
Haven't you been following his career to date?

How was May inept exactly? She tried to find a median path between two extremes. She failed because there was no such path.
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 22:00
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
How was May inept exactly? She tried to find a median path between two extremes. She failed because there was no such path.
I think you answered the question.

With two thirds of her Cabinet pro-remain she had not picked a winning team.
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 22:02
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Exactly right Sallyann. Theresaís intent was honourable, if impossible. Whatever else we sling at Boris, he canít be accused of making the same mistake.
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 22:35
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Haven't you been following his career to date?
Not massively closely, but he seems to have achieved a fair amount, Mayor of London, Foreign Sec, now PM. Not quite as impressive as my own CV granted...

Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
How was May inept exactly? She tried to find a median path between two extremes. She failed because there was no such path.
That's a real bone question Sally, and you know it. She didn't have a shred of leadership ability in her, unable to take either her cabinet, government, party or country with her. She was also a serial backtracker, remember the no general election, brexit means brexit, we'll leave by 31st March, No deal is better than a bad deal.... You cant get away with that stuff and retain any credibility, especially if when you make a u-turn, you make the wrong turn.
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 22:35
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I feel Boris should be renamed Icarus. Never has so much, been promised by so few, with so little chance of success.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 04:53
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JRM appointed as Leader of the House - responsible for organising the day to day business (legislative timetable) of the HoC.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 05:27
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Originally Posted by andrewn View Post
he seems to have achieved a fair amount, Mayor of London, Foreign Sec, now PM. Not quite as impressive as my own CV granted...
Well if you had followed his career closely you'll know you can tack journalist, writer and occasional game show host to the list. I'd agree he "achieved" getting his backside into the above posts, whether he actually achieved anything useful in either post is no doubt subject to further debate.

I do suspect my own CV would look fairly unimpressive but at least I don't have "giving the Iranian government even more evidence they could use to justify keeping Nazanin Zaghai-Ratcliffe in prison" as an entry. He certainly has never appeared to be the sort of "dude" to have fighting your corner when a bit of thoughtfulness and tact is required.

Still he has "achieved" his ambition of being PM....given his CV the next few months are certainly going to be interesting.........
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 05:49
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The Times:

........After all this, it is worth putting politics in its place, even as those of us interested in it obsess about what will happen next.

Immediately following the announcement of our new prime minister, no political hashtag got more than 30,000 or so mentions. In contrast more than 240,000 people mentioned #loveisland on social media. This is a healthy reminder for anyone in the Westminster bubble that for millions of Britons, politics is something they only follow in detail at election time, and many not even then.

In the same way that in early 2016, most people did not see the EU or Brexit as a key issue facing the UK, which now swamps everything else, the public really do have better things to do than obsess about politics — until they have to. Sometimes it’s worth remembering that.

Ben Page is the chief executive of Ipsos MORI
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 05:58
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It is difficult to know what is the most enjoyable and what gives the greatest satisfaction.

1) Seeing all the bad loser EUphile traitor cabinet ministers deservedly getting the sack. Replaced by the best possible patriotic EUphobes.

or

2) Watching the lefties totally losing the plot as democracy files them on the irrelevant shelf.

My only reservation is the retention of Amber Rudd. How did that happen?
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 06:11
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Originally Posted by Eclectic View Post
It is difficult to know what is the most enjoyable and what gives the greatest satisfaction.

1) Seeing all the bad loser EUphile traitor cabinet ministers deservedly getting the sack. Replaced by the best possible patriotic EUphobes.

or

2) Watching the lefties totally losing the plot as democracy files them on the irrelevant shelf.

My only reservation is the retention of Amber Rudd. How did that happen?
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Amber, bless her designer wardrobe couture is doing a splendid job at the DWP overseeing the carnage and suffering being imposed on millions by her Dept..... plus the ever popular and outstandingly successful introduction of UC.....with such an accomplished Minister already in place, it would be an act of political murder to replace her !

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Old 25th Jul 2019, 06:36
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Politico:

“......Coupled with Johnson’s policy-rich speech on the steps of Downing Street yesterday, it looks rather like a team built to fight a general election — and with the sole aim of winning back millions of voters who have defected to Nigel Farage. It seems the calculation has been made to try to unify the Brexiteer vote, while praying the opposition remains split...... Playbook well recalls one veteran Leave campaigner opining earlier this year that “if Vote Leave was a party, we’d smash everyone at an election.” Well, now they are — and we’ll probably not have to wait long to see if they were right.........

Brace yourselves: Jacob Rees-Mogg, the new leader of the House of Commons, told Peston that a general election is “impossible to rule out, looking at the parliamentary arithmetic.” He might have added that his own appointment is a yet more proof that Johnson is deadly serious about pushing a no-deal Brexit through parliament if necessary. Few MPs have greater knowledge of parliamentary procedure than Rees-Mogg … and his performances at the dispatch box for House business questions every Thursday should be absolute gold. Tune in this morning at 10.30 a.m. when he makes his debut.”.......
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 06:56
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My only reservation is the retention of Amber Rudd. How did that happen?
Well, since she was apparently touting herself as Foreign Secretary, leaving her exactly where she was could be seen as a joke by BoJo at her expense.
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Old 25th Jul 2019, 07:37
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My only reservation is the retention of Amber Rudd. How did that happen?
Perhaps it really was a case of "Amber Rudd asks Rachel Johnson to put a word in with her brother."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...tory-jobs-fair

Wonder if she would get in a car with him now?
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