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Old 25th Jun 2019, 07:32
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Hmmm, my timings obviously missed something. It would appear that window after recess to stop Brexit isn’t the 3rd-6th, just the 3rd.....

https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/l...it-department/

We’re all going on a summer holiday: MPs approved parliament’s recess dates last night. The House of Commons will break for the summer on July 25 and return on September 3. Some MPs were worried this would not leave enough time for the new prime minister to address the House before the summer break.

As for potential no-confidence vote timing, Graeme Cowie, a House of Commons Library clerk, calculates the statutory timetable for an early general election (on Thursday 24 October) would require a vote of no confidence to be debated no later than Tuesday September 3 — the first day back from summer recess.




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Old 25th Jun 2019, 18:51
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In the unlikely event anyone wishes to read about what is facing our new PM regarding negotiations with the EU, this speech from Sir Ivan Rogers is worth a read. He’s pretty balanced, and therefore will probably annoy those from the extremes of either side re Brexit. It’s not very encouraging, but it is an insight into what the short-term may look like.

http://www.eureferendum.com/document...ch%20final.pdf

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Old 26th Jun 2019, 06:09
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zoigberg,

Thank you for that link. As you say Sir Ivan's speech is not encouraging but TBH what he says should not come as a surprise to anybody who has been paying attention over the last 3 years (plus).

It will of course be labelled as part "project fear" and the outpourings of a remainer by some of the usual suspects.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 09:15
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
zoigberg,

Thank you for that link. As you say Sir Ivan's speech is not encouraging but TBH what he says should not come as a surprise to anybody who has been paying attention over the last 3 years (plus).

It will of course be labelled as part "project fear" and the outpourings of a remainer by some of the usual suspects.

Agreed. For those who put him in the Remainer camp, he does say on page 1 that the people who voted to leave have the right to expect the political elite to deliver on the result of the referendum.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 09:17
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/937463...illegal-drugs/

BRITAINíS top cop has revealed she considered investigating the Tory leadership contenders for taking drugs.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 10:58
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/937463...illegal-drugs/

BRITAINíS top cop has revealed she considered investigating the Tory leadership contenders for taking drugs.
Frankly, with her and her colleagues constantly bleating about lack of resources, while knife crime, and as I read today thefts on the London Underground are mushrooming, one would have hoped the Cressida Dick (head?) might have had more pressing priorities.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 12:58
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 13:19
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...nstitution-spt

Brexit revelation: Referendum was 'most significant constitutional event in 300 years'

THE BREXIT referendum in 2016 was the most significant constitutional event in Britain since the restoration of the monarchy in 1660, one of Britain’s foremost constitutional experts claimed in a throwback lecture........

As uncertainty looms until a new Prime Minister is elected, in a 2019 talk for Yale University, Vernon Bogdanor, one of Britain's foremost constitutional experts, looked into the current deadlock, suggesting the 2016 referendum sparked a constitutional crisis at a magnitude never seen in Britain in modern times.

The Research Professor at the Institute for Contemporary British History at King's College London said: “A colleague of mine at King’s College London, Professor of European Law Taki Tridimas, said that the referendum in 2016, which voted for Brexit by 52 to 48 percent, was this most significant constitutional event in Britain since the restoration of the monarchy in 1660. Because it showed or perhaps confirmed that on the issue of Europe, the sovereignty of the people trumped the sovereignty of Parliament.

“The Referendum Act passed in 2015, which provided it should be advisory and not legally binding on Parliament. Nevertheless, the Government said in advance it would be bound by the result and the outcome, even though the majority was narrow, was regarded by almost all MPs as binding on them as well.”

The Professor added that the House of Commons, for the first time in its history, was enacting legislation in which it did not believe in. Providing an explanation for the current Brexit deadlock as well, he explained: “75 percent of the MPs are Remainers. A majority even in the Conservative MPs had supporter Remain – a majority of the Cabinet and a very large majority of the House of Lords. So the sovereignty of Parliament was now been constrained, not legally but practically, not by Brussels but by the people.

“This is fundamental because Parliament has been the centre of British constitutionalism in the sense it is not for the legislature of any other country.”

Writing on the same topic in a blog post for the Constitution Unit at UCL London in 2019, Mr Bogdanor went even further, arguing that Europe has therefore been responsible for the introduction of a new concept into the British constitution: the sovereignty of the people.

On this issue, the Professor said, the people have in effect become a third chamber of Parliament, issuing instructions to the other two. Mr Bogdanor claimed that Brexit could therefore, by exposing the very nakedness of Britain’s uncodified arrangements, prove a catalyst for a written constitution.

The Professor argued that joining the EU had a profound impact on the British constitution, given that membership was to restrict the sovereignty of Parliament. However, Mr Bodganor suggested Brexit could prove "just as revolutionary", for it has created a state of uncertainty in key areas of the uncodified constitution: the use and effect of referendums, the protection of fundamental rights and devolution.

He concluded: "Perhaps, therefore, Brexit might prove a constitutional moment for the UK, leading to the creation and adoption of a codified constitution so aligning Britain with almost every other democracy."

Even though it is not clear whether leading constitutional historian David Starkey would like to see a written constitution, he has recently echoed Mr Bodganor's claims.

In a recent interview for Peter Whittle’s YouTube channel “So What You are Saying Is", Mr Starkey said that the Brexit referendum brutally exposed this "great crisis" in Britain which is that "we have never worked out what the relationship between an idea of popular sovereignty and what parliamentary sovereignty is".

He said: "The idea which is being pursued by the legions of Remainers headed by Centurion Bercow that parliamentary sovereignty can be used to deny national sovereignty – it is an absurd contradiction. Parliamentary sovereignty only makes sense within the notion of the sovereign independent state otherwise it’s meaningless verbiage."










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Old 26th Jun 2019, 14:39
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Frankly, with her and her colleagues constantly bleating about lack of resources, while knife crime, and as I read today thefts on the London Underground are mushrooming, one would have hoped the Cressida Dick (head?) might have had more pressing priorities.
Did you actually read the article?

"Speaking to LBC radio yesterday, Met commissioner Ms Dick said: ďWe have had a very quick look at all the things that have been in the public domain. I looked at it myself.
ďI just said to my team, somebodyís going to ask me the exact question. I think I know the answer but letís just double check"

Knowing there would be questions asked about possible prosecutions, she took advice which confirmed that she didn't have to waste resources on it.

Isn't that exactly what you and I would have wanted?

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Old 26th Jun 2019, 18:21
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/j...rash-09svlv72b

Jeremy Corbynís advisers Ďdonít give a toss what party thinks of Brexití

Jeremy Corbynís team ďdonít give a tossĒ what Labour members think about Brexit and are determined to see Britain leave, one of Labourís most senior MPs has claimed. Dame Margaret Beckett, former foreign secretary, told BBC Radio 4ís Today programme:

ďIím beginning to think that some of them [Mr Corbynís office] do actually want Britain to leave the EU no matter what. They donít give a toss about what the British people now want or what Labour members think is in the countryís interests. They just are determined to make sure we donít do anything to impede Britain leaving, if necessary with no deal.Ē

She maintained that the main barrier to Labour embracing Remain was not the party leader himself but ďpeople very close to him, with great influence with himĒ.......

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Old 26th Jun 2019, 21:56
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Can things get any worse? Today we have howls of protest over a Labour MP being re-admitted into his party after his remarks about Labour being too apologetic over the anti-semitism issue. In my view, his "offence" was perhaps being too open for his own good. I don't know, I wasn't there.
On the other hand we have an MP deselected by his own constituency for fiddling his expenses. We know this to be real as he appeared in court and was found guilty of fraud.
And now, after de-selecting him and putting that constituency though all the rigmarole of vacating the seat and calling an election... the same constituents have re-selected him to stand for his old seat again!
So, in one case, there is a hue and cry over what an MP said, while in the other, the convicted criminal who caused his own political downfall is standing for re-elction with the support of the party that anted rid of him!
It beggars belief.
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 22:39
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... the same constituents have re-selected him to stand for his old seat again!
Not quite. It was his constituents who signed the recall petition, but the local Tory party who re-selected him.

There only seem to be two possible theories as to why:
  1. There were no other candidates, even after the usual arm-twisting.
  2. The Tories have done a deal with the #Brexshit party and are trying to give them the seat.
I don't at present know which I think is the more likely explanation. I do like joining in by-election campaigns, just so that I can say "I wuz there" if we win, but it's a hell of a long way to B&R.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 06:13
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Parliament has gone mad.

Labour is planning to cut off funds for welfare and international aid unless parliament votes in favour of TMís Withdrawal Act - which Labour has voted against using a three-line whip each time it has been put to the House.......

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...deal-wvfvrqvkb

MPs ready to join forces and sabotage Johnson move for no-deal

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In a cross-party move to thwart the frontrunner in the Tory leadership race, the Commons will vote on a plan to prohibit government spending in the event of a no-deal Brexit. The plan is being backed by Dominic Grieve, the former Tory attorney-general, and Dame Margaret Beckett, the former Labour foreign secretary.

If successful, it would deny the government funds to pay for key elements of public spending including schools, welfare benefits and international aid. The Times understands that Labour will back the move when it is put to a vote in the Commons on Tuesday.......

Under parliamentary procedure, MPs have to approve all government expenditure ó known as estimates ó twice a year. But an amendment to the latest government estimates, which is to be voted on next Tuesday, makes these contingent on either Theresa Mayís withdrawal agreement being passed or the Commons voting to leave the EU without a deal. If the amendment is passed, a future prime minister could be forced to secure approval from the Commons for a no-deal Brexit or face the shutdown of large sections of the public sector.......

Every July MPs have to approve government requests for money to fund government departments and other services. Without this approval the government would eventually run out of money, experts said last night. The votes are due to be held at 7pm on Tuesday night.......






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Old 27th Jun 2019, 06:27
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They really are a bunch of clowns.

Is it any wonder that most of the population think MPs are idiots?

They are far more interested in manoeuvring and playing games than considering the good of the country.

If TMs deal gets approved, should she still bother resigning?

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Old 27th Jun 2019, 07:11
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If TMs deal gets approved, should she still bother resigning?

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Let Boris lead the party and TM lead the country.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 08:38
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Not quite. It was his constituents who signed the recall petition, but the local Tory party who re-selected him.

There only seem to be two possible theories as to why:
  1. There were no other candidates, even after the usual arm-twisting.
  2. The Tories have done a deal with the #Brexshit party and are trying to give them the seat.
I don't at present know which I think is the more likely explanation. I do like joining in by-election campaigns, just so that I can say "I wuz there" if we win, but it's a hell of a long way to B&R.
Ah, but , Gertie, tis well worth the trek........I do recommend the star gazing as an attraction worth going for in itself....mind you, it does rain a bit, well, erm, quite a lot actually, as well. ......the location may cause some head scratching in the MSM for whom London is the epicentre of the known political, and geographic, world however.

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Old 27th Jun 2019, 10:37
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Any promise from Boris is worthless-ask his ex wives children etc before even bothering with his political record

Hunt is more of an unknown quantity-competent but not very nice person treats people as numbers as before someone from his background

Japans comments today are as close as japan will ever get to saying you leave with no deal all Japans investment in UK leaves too. The Japanese are even more understated than we are but they do mean what they say .

But never mind lets just look after the rich-by which I DO NOT mean ordinary joe/joesephine Bloggs higher rate tax payers -but the kind of super rich guy on Jeremy Vine yesterday prattling on about trade deals from his background as a successful mobile phone salesman - good luck to him on that but he literally didnt have a clue what he was talking about-it was like he had never left the country. Then he contradicted himself completely by saying -falsely that we will control our immigration if we leave and following it up by saying we would encourage thousands and thousands of new foreign worked for all the new jobs we create. a 100% typical brexit fan of the worst kind -I dont like foreigners but I dont care either way as I have a lot of money.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 10:59
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Gertrude: I note what you say re the local Tory party re-selecting him but I took Davies's web site as my source.
" I am delighted to have been given the opportunity to regain the support of my constituents in an up-coming by-election." was the opening line in his piece on this topic. Take a look and see what you make of it:
https://www.chrisdavies.org.uk/news/...shire-election
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 14:08
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Kelvin, it rather points up the consequences of the new prorogation rules. The requisite percentage the electorate may require it, and so far in both cases there has been definite reasons for demanding a by-election. What we cannot know is if that percentage comes from opposition electors. In future, with the merest reason, marginal seats might be proroged thus wiping out a Government majority.
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Old 28th Jun 2019, 05:37
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