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Old 19th Jun 2019, 09:17
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Another Labour source, who had not seen the paper, said that it would be an uphill struggle for Mr Corbyn to persuade Remainers that he had genuinely converted to a so-called People’s Vote. “Jeremy could run down Whitehall in a People’s Vote onesie and a lot of people would still not be convinced that he really believed it,” they said. “He has got a lot of work to do to ensure that the message is clear and unambiguous.”.......
Indeed! Actually Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn have a lot in common insofar as you just don't really know where they stand, and both try to say things that satisfy the audience they are addressing rather than be honest over what they actually believe.

Johnson alternately rejects or accepts the third LHR runway; accepts or rejects HS2; thinks Trump is useless or wonderful; supports UK being in Europe, then supports Brexit. It would be just as likely that once he's got the reins of power (which is all he's really interested in - another parallel with Corbyn there!) he'll about turn on Brexit as leave with no deal. Nigel Farage is right in his assessment that you can't trust Boris (don't think I've ever said "right" and "Farage" in the same sentence before!!).
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 10:06
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What is particularly worrying is the YouGov poll that says 63% of Brexit supporters are prepared for long term economic damage as a price worth paying. I certainly would not support Remian under similar circumstances. It's rather as if they were being asked if they would put up with economic damage to win WW2. These people are living in a fantasy world.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 10:16
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
What is particularly worrying is the YouGov poll that says 63% of Brexit supporters are prepared for long term economic damage as a price worth paying. I certainly would not support Remian under similar circumstances. It's rather as if they were being asked if they would put up with economic damage to win WW2. These people are living in a fantasy world.
If you're not working, for whatever reason, and supported by the state or by private wealth then why should you care? You will be alright Jack, unlike the majority of people who depend upon jobs, and money purchase pensions to provide for them.

I do sometimes wonder with some of the YouGov polls; they are often a bit left field and if the question was asked in a negative way then then it will provide skewed answers. A case of this was a poll that suggested a large proportion of people in the USA didn't believe the holocaust happened - the result of respondents skim-reading a negative question.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 10:29
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I find that many people I speak to, like myself, have become disengaged from the whole Brexit-Party-Brexit-Party circus.
It's just a matter now of sitting back and accepting whatever sh1t happens.

It was always clear to me at least that with the country and both political parties all split down the middle over Brexit that there could never be a proper resolution.

Two years ago I said on here that there would be no satisfactory exit agreement and that Brexit would lead to a Corbyn government. That was laughed at at the time. The EU would fall over themselves to give us a good deal, and Corbyn would never be a serious contender for government.
Now the general call is that Corbyn is the number one threat, to be avoided at all costs.

Well you've got what you wanted. Enjoy it.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 10:42
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Is Corbyn that much of a threat- except to people with lots of money . If Labour reverse their referendum stance they will be helping not harming the uk economy I am no fan but as far as i know he is at least as good s any Try candidate- he doesnt mask giving money to rich people as beneficial for the country ., nor will he join America in another fake war for freedom and democracy when there is little democracy albeit a lot of freedom in UK and USA at the moment.
So we have a choice between someone whose bot very good-JC and someone who represents a party which has no mandate to do anything except resign and take the consequences for what they have brought upon us..

An utter shamble for 99% of us and an opportunity for more tax evasion for 1% is all the Tories can deliver butt hen that what Britain was like when it was 'Great' and given their name one can never expect conservatives to look to the future
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 10:46
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This was the proper resolution in 2016.

There is nothing on that form about a deal. It doesn't say 'Remain without a Deal' or 'Leave with a Deal'.

The UK voted to leave: End of story.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 10:51
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
That's good to know. It doesn't encourage me to join the team of election staff though!! Too much like hard work.
Oh I don't know. You get to meet lots of interesting people. If it is your own village you get names to faces. You have some on personal clouds of BO, others dressed in their best clothes, excited teens voting for the first time, some amazingly capable disabled voters, some very voluable who vote for none of the above. OTOH, for the first police commissioner election it was an opportunity to read a book for hours at a time interrupted by "whose turn is it to make the tea?"
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 10:56
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Is Corbyn that much of a threat- except to people with lots of money .
I think the catch is the definition of lots of money. A nice clear target of £70k becomes blurred in the detail with tax consequences reaching down to most people.

In my opinion Labour has actually been better at funding Defence than Tories but I don't think that would apply to Corbyn.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 11:00
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More questions concerning the way the BBC choose their audiences and questioners.......

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Old 19th Jun 2019, 11:02
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post


This was the proper resolution in 2016.

There is nothing on that form about a deal. It doesn't say 'Remain without a Deal' or 'Leave with a Deal'.

The UK voted to leave: End of story.
That one is getting a bit tired now, TBH.
We know that the country voted narrowly to leave, and so we will. I'm not disputing that and have never called for another referendum that would be equally divisive and solve nothing.

What has been clear from the start is that just like the population at large, the two main political parties and their influential supporters have been split between Leave and Remain, and so cannot agree on what happens next.

Hence all the parliamentary and legal disputes, while the EU looks on in astonishment and disbelief.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 11:02
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post


This was the proper resolution in 2016.

There is nothing on that form about a deal. It doesn't say 'Remain without a Deal' or 'Leave with a Deal'.

The UK voted to leave: End of story.
I can still remember walking into the voting booth with the slip in my hand, thinking of the line from "Pulp Fiction"

"If my answers frighten you, stop asking scary questions!"
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 11:03
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Of course as he is gay he would be ignored on JB but here is why Brexit is the most evil thing ever to impact the Eu except possibly the Nazis .

Read/watch it and weep
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 18:25
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
That's good to know. It doesn't encourage me to join the team of election staff though!! Too much like hard work.


But unlike the politicians, most of the polling station staff can go home at 22:30 or so, because they choose not to work the count as well (the Returning Officer is an exception, s/he has to do a full day's work, from say 05:30 until perhaps 02:00 for a local, or perhaps 06:00 for a general).
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 18:29
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Oh I don't know. You get to meet lots of interesting people. If it is your own village you get names to faces. You have some on personal clouds of BO, others dressed in their best clothes, excited teens voting for the first time, some amazingly capable disabled voters, some very voluable who vote for none of the above. OTOH, for the first police commissioner election it was an opportunity to read a book for hours at a time interrupted by "whose turn is it to make the tea?"
One keen disabled voter arrived by car, but was unable to walk into the polling station, and sent her driver in to negotiate.

Presiding officer came out and asked us tellers if it was OK by is if he took her ballot out for her to fill in in the car. I cannot imagine that this was actually legal, but of course we said yes.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 19:36
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HDFegpX5gI

Of course as he is gay he would be ignored on JB but here is why Brexit is the most evil thing ever to impact the Eu except possibly the Nazis .

Read/watch it and weep
What's his sexuality got to do with anything? Maybe you're a closet homophobe?
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 21:35
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“If Labour reverse their referendum stance...”. Er, can anyone explain in less than five minutes what that would actually mean ?
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 22:03
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It’s OK, Corbyn didn’t - which has got lots of Remainers apoplectic.

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Old 19th Jun 2019, 22:06
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It’s OK, Corbyn didn’t - which has got lots of Remainers apoplectic.
Only Labour remainers.

There are still quite a few of the poor deluded souls left, but fewer of them every day.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 09:27
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“Apoplectic”? I could understand them being baffled, confused or perplexed -but apoplectic? There’s not even really a policy to get apoplectic about. Just a range of options on the table based on some maybes. Yes they want a GE -but how is that an answer to the Brexit question? It’s like asking a child where their homework is to be told they want a puppy!
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 11:02
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
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There are still quite a few of the poor deluded souls left, but fewer of them every day.
Those who believe that the EU is the only answer to life, the universe and everything?
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