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Old 7th Jun 2019, 19:42
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
On another point, yes the Brexit Party has had a meteoric rise.
Not really, It was only slightly up on its previous Euro results (when it was called "UKIP"), and it continues its record of not winning by-elections.
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Old 7th Jun 2019, 19:57
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post


I will ill treat that as a serious question . Are you familiar with the rules on political funding? If you are then I presume that what lies behind your question is that you disagree with them. But the corollary to that is whether foreign funding is desirable for political parties within the UK.

Mr Banks original claim was that the funds came from gold mines that he owned. When Channel 4 seemed to disprove that he then claimed it came from his insurance business. I think that all s being asked of him is to come clean on the source of the funding, this he has consistently refused to do. In the light of this it seems not unreasonable to suspect Russian involvement in the funding of Brexit. This is now the subject of an Electoral Commission investigation.

what part (s) of that do you feel is unreasonable?
The unreasonable part is that wherever the cash came from, and however many laws may have been broken, and whatever punishments may be meted out, the referendum result cannot be undone.
​​​​​​​So he has got away with it.
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Old 7th Jun 2019, 20:35
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Thank you Effluent Man for your response to what was, perhaps strangely enough, a serious question. Equally remarkable perhaps, I don't have anything to disagree with in the context of your kind reply.
However, when one is sourcing political donations with an eye to making capital out of them then what question marks should there be against the Marxist party whose main source of funding is Unite the Union money, paid as compulsory levies by union members and distributed by the likes of McClusky to his political allies. Isn't that extortion, by another name,
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Old 7th Jun 2019, 20:56
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
the referendum result cannot be undone.
The courts decided that because the referendum is not binding there's nothing to undo. But, they said, they would have undone it had it been binding.

An example, methinks, of "the law doesn't have to make sense".
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Old 7th Jun 2019, 21:32
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Thank you Effluent Man for your response to what was, perhaps strangely enough, a serious question. Equally remarkable perhaps, I don't have anything to disagree with in the context of your kind reply.
However, when one is sourcing political donations with an eye to making capital out of them then what question marks should there be against the Marxist party whose main source of funding is Unite the Union money, paid as compulsory levies by union members and distributed by the likes of McClusky to his political allies. Isn't that extortion, by another name,
I do not think any member of an officially recognised union pays a compulsory levy. Existing members can opt out if they wish, new members have to opt in as I understand it.

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Old 7th Jun 2019, 22:05
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Strangely it is McCluskey and Corbyn who are the big Brexit fans. The reason for this is fear that the EU would prevent some of their wilder schemes and especially extensive nationalisation. I would place them somewhere between JRM and Farage on the enthusiasm scale.
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Old 7th Jun 2019, 22:16
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Originally Posted by yellowtriumph View Post
I do not think any member of an officially recognised union pays a compulsory levy. Existing members can opt out if they wish
They can and some do. But, I understand, they still get pissed off when the union boss claims to be making political points on behalf of all his (and it does always seem to be a "he") members.
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Old 7th Jun 2019, 22:23
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
They can and some do. But, I understand, they still get pissed off when the union boss claims to be making political points on behalf of all his (and it does always seem to be a "he") members.
But thats not got anything to do with a compulsory political levy though is it. Its actual money that funds the Labour Party, not hot air.
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Old 8th Jun 2019, 05:02
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This explains everything............

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Old 8th Jun 2019, 07:36
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Am I the only person who does not have a clue what a "cannabis lassi" is? I have long understood lassi was the name of a dog on TV.
Regardless, who is next? Boris took cocaine, Gove took cocaine, Hunt had a marijuana dog/lassi and Stewart was on opium. I don't care how long ago these indiscretions took place. They were illegal at the time, the leadership contenders were well educated and presumably would have been well aware they were breaking the law yet went ahead and chose to ignore the law. Perhaps the law only applies to the poor people?
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Old 8th Jun 2019, 07:59
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https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...d-oust-dominic

Local Tory activists step up bid to oust Dominic Grieve as their MP over Brexit views

Following a special general meeting of the Beaconsfield Constiuency Conservatives Association on Friday evening, Mr Grieve has been asked to apply for re-adoption as their candidate for the next election. The move is part of the process which must be followed in order to deselect a sitting Tory MP.

In a statement posted on Twitter, Beaconsfield CCA chairman Jackson Ng wrote:

"I understand that there are feelings of disappointment, anger and frustration from many of our membership. Therefore, following this evening's special general meeting and on behalf of our executive council, I have immediately written to our MP Dominic Grieve QC to formally request that he now submits a written application to us to seek his re-adoption as our parliamentary candidate for the next general election expected in 2022."

Under Tory Party rules, Mr Grieve will be invited to make his case for re-adoption as a candidate in person if they wish to. The local executive council then votes on a motion to reselect the MP in a secret ballot. If Mr Grieve wins the vote he will be re-selected to be the candidate. If he loses, he can either request that the entire local party votes in a postal ballot, or put himself up against other candidates who want to fight the seat.

In March, the Beaconsfield party voted 182 to 131 in favour of a motion of no confidence in Mr Grieve, who opposes Brexit and supports a second EU referendum......





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Old 8th Jun 2019, 08:18
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Old 8th Jun 2019, 09:12
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One notes that the Sun is going down the tubes.

Of course they'll spin this as being because of "diesel" and nothing at all whatsoever to do with their support for #brexshit.

I wonder how many others of the hate rags will follow them? - all because of "diesel" of course.
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Old 8th Jun 2019, 09:40
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
One notes that the Sun is going down the tubes.

Of course they'll spin this as being because of "diesel" and nothing at all whatsoever to do with their support for #brexshit.

I wonder how many others of the hate rags will follow them? - all because of "diesel" of course.
You're starting to sound paranoid again Gertie.
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Old 8th Jun 2019, 10:06
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The Sun going down the tubes?

All newspaper per sales are still dropping at around 10% a year as older buyers drop off the end and the young don’t buy them. But it’s relative. The Sun still outsells the Guardian ten to one - 1.4M vs The Guardian on 140K.

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/natio...stortion-ends/
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Old 8th Jun 2019, 10:24
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Before one glibly speaks of hate rags, one should really become familiar with the prose of either Polly Toynbee or Owen Jones, both of whom write, from time to time, for the Guardian. They're the gauging yardsticks for hateful journalism.
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Old 8th Jun 2019, 10:28
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This stinks of a political move to instill a sense of national wellbeing (some would say jingoism) into the UK population at a time when, in all liklihood Brexit will be causing grief for our economy, jobs and prospects.

II for one am not going to be taken in, and may well take the opportunity for a long weekend break outside the UK
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Old 8th Jun 2019, 10:32
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This stinks of a political move to instill a sense of national wellbeing (some would say jingoism) into the UK population at a time when, in all liklihood Brexit will be causing grief for our economy, jobs and prospects.
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...and it reminds me of 'Honor America Day' (Nixon-Period) and Trumps July 4th celebration...
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Old 8th Jun 2019, 11:26
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Or t9 ensure the whole of Europe commemorates the end of WWII at the same time?
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Old 8th Jun 2019, 11:34
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Am I the only person who does not have a clue what a "cannabis lassi" is? I have long understood lassi was the name of a dog on TV.
Regardless, who is next? Boris took cocaine, Gove took cocaine, Hunt had a marijuana dog/lassi and Stewart was on opium. I don't care how long ago these indiscretions took place. They were illegal at the time, the leadership contenders were well educated and presumably would have been well aware they were breaking the law yet went ahead and chose to ignore the law. Perhaps the law only applies to the poor people?
The most sick-making aspect when the old drug use shite comes around, is how 'dreadfully ashamed' they are. It's a lie, they're not at all. Much better to simply say, "Look, I'm a bit embarassed looking back 'cos I'm s'posed to be a role model, but that was then, this is now. Next question."

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