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Old 5th Jun 2019, 18:48
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
And so the circle is complete , from the Boris lies about diverting mioney from Eu to the NHS we are now no longer a partner in the worlds biggest trading bloc but a vassal state tot he USA and the price of that is to destroy the NHS in one small step. bet you quitters are so so glad you voted to run away from the Eu. especially poignant this week with D Day celebrations and all the occupied countries men who fought alongside us 75 years ago. Especially as so many quitters are elderly and need the NHS more than ever or are readers of the Daily Mail-average age 59 years which urged you to vote leaver without a thought for the consequences . And those who belive we could cavalier fashion 'strike' new trade deals . of which there are twos orts, ones with big countries who just tell us what to do and what they want and the rest which are small and inconsequential and not worth he paper written on or Liam Fox's airmiles.
there is a reason so many people who look beyond the rhetoric and lies voted remain
All manner and kinds of EU pharmaceutical companies have been milking our NHS for donkeys of years. So what`s wrong with letting the Yanks to have a go and see whether we get something half decent back as change for our money.

By the way D day celebrations today are a reminder who were our real friends in our days of real need. They paid with their lives. Whilst Charlie de Gaul pranced around throwing all kinds of wobblies unless he was to be allowed to sit at the head of the table and hailed as the liberator of La Belle France.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 19:12
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Are you aware that the bulk of resistance came from the communists? In the more aggressive areas of central southern France the make up was almost 100% and De Gaulle, ( and presumably many of the allies ) were worried that in the aftermath of the liberation a government of such persuasion would be formed. So it wasn't just DeGaulle, although no doubt it suited his purposes also, who were anxious to avoid a government sympathetic to Uncle Joe.
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Old 5th Jun 2019, 20:51
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Originally Posted by Chronus View Post
All manner and kinds of EU pharmaceutical companies have been milking our NHS for donkeys of years. So what`s wrong with letting the Yanks to have a go and see whether we get something half decent back as change for our money.

By the way D day celebrations today are a reminder who were our real friends in our days of real need. They paid with lives.whilst Charlie de Gaul pranced around throwing all kinds of wobblies unless he was to be allowed to sit at the head of the table and hailed as the liberator of La Belle France.
I'm afraid Churchill's rampant Francophilia got us into hot water on several occasions - it was a good thing Dowding prevented him from losing any more of our aircraft in a France which the French themselves were reluctant to defend - there is much similarity to be found between Pétain's Vichy lot and our current collection of quislings in Parliament. De Gaulle was a self-regarding pain in the arse and should have suffered a fate similar to that of General Sikorsky. The only favour he did us was to say "non", thus delaying our entry to the EEC. I have to wonder what thoughts the 90-odd year old survivors of the D-day (and other) operations might have regarding the shameful squandering of their sacrifices by our current politicians and so-called "leaders", particularly by the ghastly Mrs May who continues to enjoy the undeserved "baubles" of her soon-to-end office. I certainly know how I would feel.

On the other topic, the combination of ignorance of the American health system and blind worship of the sacred cow which is "our" NHS conspires to defeat any meaningful improvement of the service. I find it a bit rich that Hunt, who was the presiding Minister for a number of years and his infantile successor, Hancock, singularly have failed to effect any change in this monolithic creature but are both seeking to persuade us that they are uniquely equipped to run the infinitely larger department which is the country.

I'm surprised that there has not been more comment upon the Conservative Party selection jamboree. In another context, I have written;
Brandon Lewis's communication mentions that Dame Cheryl Gillan is to have joint charge of the return process. This woman has reneged on more than one "solemn" promise made to her constituents. In respect of HS2, she "would defy the party whip – be very, very sure of that" in defiance of the scheme, promptly sold her property which would have been blighted by this development and then colluded with the government to the disadvantage of her constituents. She repeatedly has fiddled her parliamentary expenses. That the Conservative Party should put a person of such moral and fiscal probity in this position entirely is in character with the incompetence of its staggeringly inept management. I fear that it will require more than the threat of Corbyn to prevent this tired edifice from toppling. It is as well for the current crop of Parliamentarians that we have not adopted the American notion of moral turpitude.

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Old 5th Jun 2019, 21:42
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Might have been known to you Gertie but not to many others
It was part of the remain campaign. None so deaf as those who will not hear.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 07:30
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Trusting Boris is one thing, not that anybody does or would, but trusting Gove is another. Easy to see why Trump didn't heap the same fulsome praise on him really....

You get the impression a calendar has been pinned to a dartboard and where the darts land is the date of the moment.....subject to change without notice.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48535879
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 07:42
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Easy to see why Trump didn't heap the same fulsome praise on him really....
He 'heaped' the appropriate 'fulsome praise' on the Cortwit!!!
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 07:46
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Are you aware that the bulk of resistance came from the communists? In the more aggressive areas of central southern France the make up was almost 100% ......
Indeed, plus where we live a significant number of Spanish Republicans (just to emphasis, yes, they were the left wing lot) who had been run out of Spain by Franco also formed resistance active units.

https://elpais.com/elpais/2016/10/11...91_317656.html


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Old 6th Jun 2019, 07:47
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Are you aware that the bulk of resistance came from the communists?
A past French president had been involved in exactly that 'flavour' of the resistance. (The bunch of women in 'Allo 'Allo?)
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 08:05
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He 'heaped' the appropriate 'fulsome praise' on the Cortwit!!!
Correct, he wasn't really complimentary, but that's Trump for you.....the quintessential personification of international statesmanship and diplomacy .

Anyway, now that you're back, any chance of responding to the question about your support, or otherwise, for Boris...........please ?

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Old 6th Jun 2019, 18:33
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
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Anyway, now that you're back, any chance of responding to the question about your support, or otherwise, for Boris...........please ?
Sorry, wrong Thread.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 19:25
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The ultimate timing of Brexit, or not as the case might be. May be more in the hands of Bercow rather than Boris or Gove.
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The ultimate timing of Brexit, or not as the case might be. May be more in the hands of Bercow rather than Boris or Gove.
Bercow will be irrelevant. It will be in the hands of Macaroon.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 19:45
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The first few Speakers of the House of Commons found themselves on the wrong end of an axe. Since then, subsequent holders of the post have been very circumspect in the exercise of their powers. Given that the Speaker is supposed to be neutral and to refrain from expressing a view, it is astounding that Bercow should go out of his way to make it quite clear he has no interest in allowing Brexit to take place. He might as well paint a bullseye on his chest and back.

It may well be that his actions are designed to force a General Election in advance of Brexit. He will depart the Speakers chair with a clear conscience because he surely won't be allowed to stand for re-election unopposed, as is tradition.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 20:36
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8866236.html

What has she been doing since April when the Government stopped all work on preparations for leaving by default of Article 50 into WTO rules?

[COLOR=left=#121212]Her departure is being seen as a blow to the government and increasing the risk that the UK will not be as prepared for a possible no deal on 31 October.[/COLOR]
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 21:53
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What's wrong with Aaron Banks?
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 21:56
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(the combination of ignorance of the American health system and blind worship of the sacred cow which is "our" NHS conspires to defeat any meaningful improvement of the service)

Spot on comments!
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Old 7th Jun 2019, 04:45
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Oh dear, not quite according to ( Nige's ) plan then. And fancy Nige making a hasty exit along with remaining silent........which is a welcome first.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48532869

Treeza....adieu .....c/o "Private Eye"......

https://www.private-eye.co.uk/current-issue

See also.......

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-no-10-cartoon

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Old 7th Jun 2019, 07:41
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https://www.politico.eu/article/ther...jeremy-corbyn/

Officials in London and Dublin fear the Brexit process is veering inexorably toward no deal.
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Old 7th Jun 2019, 07:44
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POLITICO: Peterborough result and what it means....

”Polling guru John Curtice told the BBC Forbes had set a record for the lowest share of the vote won by a winning candidate in a by-election at 31 percent. The result was confirmation that we are now in a “different political world” where no one party can necessarily dominate any particular election, he said.

He added that the Brexit Party was still a “significantly disruptive force” at the moment and the Conservative Party could not tolerate the idea of going to an election anytime soon — a least until Brexit has been delivered.

The by-election was also a reminder for the Lib Dems and Greens that when you get back to the squeeze of first past-the-post elections, if you don’t appear a likely winner you are always going to be at risk of seeing your vote fall away, Curtice added.”.....

Backing Brexit: Forbes, who now represents a seat where 60 percent of voters backed Brexit, will not, it appears, join the second referendum pressure group within the Parliamentary Labour Party, which includes Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry and deputy leader Tom Watson. She told the BBC that she had campaigned to honor the result of the referendum and thought Labour was a way off from backing a fresh vote yet..........
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