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Old 31st May 2019, 17:43
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Does the Queen have any real political power or is she just a spectator too? Could she order a parliamentary election? Just curious.
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Old 31st May 2019, 17:51
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Originally Posted by Aihkio View Post
Does the Queen have any real political power or is she just a spectator too? Could she order a parliamentary election? Just curious.
There are historical prerogatives available to the Queen, but the unwritten rule (UK being a constitutional monarchy) is that 'could or couldn't, she won't!

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Old 31st May 2019, 18:33
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Since Parliament, as a consequence of its total rejection of the referendum and its own previous promises on that vote, has completely destroyed any claim that Britain might have had to having a constitution of any sorts at all, you might just as well unconstitutionalise the monarchy, restore the divine right of kings and let the old girl rip.
She could start the festivities off by sending Louis XX a card board cut off of the head of Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry's would do for the Henri d'Orleans, cardboard, preferably soggy corrugated cardboard.
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Old 31st May 2019, 20:03
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All this fuss and palaver about politicians, parliament and monarchy. Hard Brexit, soft Brexit, no Brexit, running around headless chicken and bleeting all the way up to Supreme Court waving all manner of please and petitions. Never ever ending arguments and debates. None of that would happen if we went down the road of some other so called the uncivilised bunch, and had ourselves a military junta. Better still get some monks to bring back the Spanish Inquisition. Too much freedom is much like too much wine. Where there is no authority, there is no order. It has become abundantly clear there is no authority left here in the UK. No second referendum and no general election can alter that. Some commentators have touched on this. They have said we have a constitutional crisis on our hands. They have hit the nail on the head. The only thing wrong with that is that we don`t really have a constitution as such. What we have is neither arsehole nor watercress, and that`s truly where our troubles lie. We just go on patching and making things up as we go along, the old fashioned way, just like Mamma used to make and continue to prance about oblivious to the dramatic changes around us.
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 05:23
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Hello Finland. Probably, I think yes but it would cause such ructions she won't so no. Hope that makes sense.
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 06:04
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It's a perfectly reasonable question.....albeit one that is easily answered.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...idates-cartoon

And the definitive analysis of the contest and contestants....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eadership-race

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Old 1st Jun 2019, 08:13
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Very funny, KnC. I don’t blame Labour supporters for wanting to show cartoons rather than face the loathsome reality of what’s going on in their own party right now: That their NEC member was recorded saying that anyone making claims of anti-semitism was put up to it by the Israeli government. Not just any NEC member but the very person responsible for what they laughably term “investigating” anti-semitism cases. What sort of fair hearing is anyone likely to receive there? And no, unlike Mr Campbell, out the door in a matter of hours, nobody’s been expelled.
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 09:32
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Very funny, KnC. I don’t blame Labour supporters for wanting to show cartoons rather than face the loathsome reality of what’s going on in their own party right now: That their NEC member was recorded saying that anyone making claims of anti-semitism was put up to it by the Israeli government. Not just any NEC member but the very person responsible for what they laughably term “investigating” anti-semitism cases. What sort of fair hearing is anyone likely to receive there? And no, unlike Mr Campbell, out the door in a matter of hours, nobody’s been expelled.
Agree that Labour has it's priorities totally wrong, Mr. Campbell's misdemeanour was of far less gravity than the NEC committee member.

However, is it really antisemitic to suggest that the Israeli may at least be complicit in egging up the allegations against Labour, it is antizionist for certain. Israel has a very competent national security operation, named Mosad who are more than capable of dirty tricks - they have previous in this area. They are probably no less likely to have meddled in Labour's internal affairs than the Russians are to have meddled in the referendum and Trump's election.
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 12:09
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Tories really shouldn't be laying into Corbyn and his acolytes. They are the only thing that is keeping Labour from romping off into the distance electorally. Ultimately if they are allowed to the Momentum boys and girls will destroy Labour. Most of us who are in the centre left of politics have decamped towards the LD's or Greens and unlikely to make the return journey any time soon.
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 13:39
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Tories really shouldn't be laying into Corbyn and his acolytes. They are the only thing that is keeping Labour from romping off into the distance electorally. Ultimately if they are allowed to the Momentum boys and girls will destroy Labour. Most of us who are in the centre left of politics have decamped towards the LD's or Greens and unlikely to make the return journey any time soon.
Agree with all of that.

So what's your take on P'boro then?

Traditionally my lot is nowhere, in a Tory/Labour marginal, but if we get all the 39% Remain vote and the 61% Leave vote is split between Brexit/Labour/Tory then anything could happen ... and apparently Labour have decided to put up a rabidly anti-Semitic candidate, and I've no idea which way that will play in P'boro either ...
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 14:26
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Agree with all of that.

So what's your take on P'boro then?

Traditionally my lot is nowhere, in a Tory/Labour marginal, but if we get all the 39% Remain vote and the 61% Leave vote is split between Brexit/Labour/Tory then anything could happen ... and apparently Labour have decided to put up a rabidly anti-Semitic candidate, and I've no idea which way that will play in P'boro either ...
Appeal to working class Muslims?
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 14:46
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​​​​​​​If I was absolutely forced to hazard a guess the emergence of the first four way marginal in British politics ( I think) with all the four main contenders on 20-25% of the vote.
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 17:13
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Who knows - but in the Euro elections the vote for remain was substantially more than the vote to leave-with brexit getting scarecely more than UKIP in the earleir elections.
As for constitutional crisis well we dont have a constitution and we have a useless head of state in the queen.
Shes Ok for waving at people but most heads of state are either the head of an executive branch or PM of sorts who run the country day to day or the elder statesperson type who can call elections dissolve parliaments force coalitions etc.

In true British style though we have a head of state who cannot do anything at all in a crises that cannot be solved by parliament and a system where the PM can be changed by a small number of people almost on demand but a second referendum on a major issue is somehow anti democratic even though the first took place so long ago its virtually irrelevant now. And the Lib Dems bexit put together-unlikely i know percentage of the last vote is a huge majority whereas they count for nothing at all in the commons.

. And if things were not bad enough we have one of the most discredit politicians in history, serial bankrupt, serial liar, chauvinist , ignorant , uncouth recommending a tiny bunch of reactionary old fashioned backward looking people (i think that is what the word conservative means) elect someone with almost the same character with the addition of serial philanderer and fraudster as our PM. Vladimir must stay up nights laughing at what his meddling and money have done to the west -imagine a 2020 version of the WW2 Yalta meetings, Stalin Roosevelt Churchill replaced by Putin , far cleaver than Stalin , and two complete idiots . Not that the Uk would figure in any such meetings these days
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 17:23
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Very funny, KnC. I don’t blame Labour supporters for wanting to show cartoons rather than face the loathsome reality of what’s going on in their own party right now: That their NEC member was recorded saying that anyone making claims of anti-semitism was put up to it by the Israeli government. Not just any NEC member but the very person responsible for what they laughably term “investigating” anti-semitism cases. What sort of fair hearing is anyone likely to receive there? And no, unlike Mr Campbell, out the door in a matter of hours, nobody’s been expelled.
Israeli Govt is on record about wanting to take down a Tory minister it didn't approve of so you can be pretty sure it does the same with other parties.
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 17:35
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Bit of a rant there PB.

Regarding political peccadilloes, I think there is nothing new there. As CP Snow wrote, all power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. What is different now is the uncensored and unfettered news outlets augmented by the internet and social media.

At a time of film censorship the newsreel producers self-censored less the Government extended State censorship to them. As you know, their fears were justified as modern Government has sought to control the press.
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 18:17
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Appeal to working class Muslims?
I`d go along with that. So I thought maybe there the number of Muslim voters have now far exceeded Jewish ones. Had a quick look see on the internet and crickey, the UK Muslim population is not far off 3.5 million, the Jews are a mere 289500.
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 19:29
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I`d go along with that. So I thought maybe there the number of Muslim voters have now far exceeded Jewish ones. Had a quick look see on the internet and crickey, the UK Muslim population is not far off 3.5 million, the Jews are a mere 289500.
The latter perhaps punching a bit above their weight!
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 19:41
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
The latter perhaps punching a bit above their weight!
Or something
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Old 1st Jun 2019, 20:08
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Since Effluent Man rebuked me for failing to mention the last opinion poll, I thought it necessary to report the latest, from the Guardian....

If anyone plans to try and work out seats, it’s murky. Under FPTP the Green vote would probably only get them 3-4 seats, if that, and the LibDems would also, as at present, also be underrepresented. Which would probably mean a Con-Brexit pact, or even a pre-election agreement in who would stand in which seats - depending on who wins the Conservative leadership election.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...atives-opinium

Brexit party tops Westminster election poll for first time

Nigel Farage’s Brexit party has surged into first place as voters’ favourites, according to a new poll. It is the first time the party has achieved top position in a national poll. The results suggest hundreds of Conservative seats are at risk.

The Brexit party’s support increased by two points to 26% of the vote in the latest Opinium poll – for the Observer – which asked people how they would vote in the next Westminster election. Labour is in second place on 22%, but its support has fallen by seven points over the past two weeks. The Tories are third on 17%, with their support down five points, and the Lib Dems are up five points, on 16% of the vote......




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Old 1st Jun 2019, 20:33
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I still don't see the point of almost daily voting polls. We are not about to have an election, and so many events will happen to change opinions before then. There will continue to be dramatic swings of opinion that mean absolutely nothing.
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